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Originally Posted by Drake
Nell,
I have been an advocate and supporter of your call to action. If a crime was committed call the cops. Drop a dime. Anonymously if needed. I even suggested that the labor board be contacted... start a civil suit which has a lower bar to clear to prove guilt. I am a champion of your main point. Blow the whistle long and loud.
However, in the particular examples given, I have to trust the judgement in this scenario of the elders. Repulsive, yes. Criminal? Not proven. Else they would have called the cops. You have to allow that the suggestion of force is not proof of it. It is a sad reality that not every accusation or allegation is to be believed as is. Someone claims they were forced, maybe they were. Sometimes it is consensual as the first instance indicated that Max addressed. Maybe it was pressure from a manager, that too is criminal. But it has to be proved. Consensus in this forum is not proof. I believe your personal account, no reason not to. So this is not about that.
But if in doubt... make the call. Do something. I am for that. I agree with your main point. It should be reported. Let the authorities sort it out. Prosecute. Civil suit.
But if it is not rape don't call it rape. That bar is higher.. or should be with us.
Drake
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Drake,
That's not your call.
Don't make this issue about you and what you think should have been done 40 years ago. Witness Lee is dead. As far as we know, Lee carried his sin with him to his multi-million dollar grave.
What about today? There are predators in the Local Church TODAY who are sexually abusing women who are vulnerable to Lee's "ministry". There is sin in the camp at the expense of women. You may believe you have hit on some kind of noble perspective that involves clarity on the use of the word "rape", I daresay every woman reading this forum is rolling her eyes in disbelief. Do you think Philip Lee's victims believe they were sexually abused, or, raped? Do you think it matters to them what words YOU use to define what happened to THEM?
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But if it is not rape don't call it rape. That bar is higher.. or should be with us." Really??? What a joke. There IS NO BAR in the Local Church. In the Local Church it's open season on women. Anything goes. Even if a predator gets caught...no problem. "Cover the brothers."
This forum has plenty on Lee's teaching on women...put them in their place...shut them up and do what they're told...ad nauseum. How convenient. What a fertile environment for a sick sexual predator.
Until sexual sin, sexual abuse, molestation, rape, in the Local Churches is exposed and the offenders are excommunicated publicly that all may fear, you don't have a leg to stand on. If you know it's happening and do nothing, it's on you. Until you confront leadership about this ongoing sin against the Body of Christ, don't talk about some kind of fictitious "higher bar".
Nell