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Originally Posted by Evangelical
The spiritual reality is that there is only one church in the world and the local church in each city is a reflection of that. However in denominationalism there are many churches in each city, which is not a reflection of the Universal church.
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Seems like the ultimate truth is that one can be many and many can be one. When WL/LSM says it is one then it is one. When WL/LSM says it is many, it is many.
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Originally Posted by Evangelical
That's incorrect - the LC sees itself as comprising all believers in the city. This distinguishes the LC from any non-denominational or house church group which might see itself as "individual and independent".
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Yeh, you said many times already. The LC embraces other believers in the denomination - only that they need to do it the LC way if they want to be really one with Christ.
I think many denominations are more humble in this aspect. They don't think they comprise others, they think they are a part of the universal church belonging to Christ.
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Did the bible say that we have to believe in the Nicene creed? Who told you that? God or emperor Constantine and the Catholic Church?  |
Are you saying we have to believe in the Nicene creed? I don't know about that. The LC never taught me the Nicene creed.
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Originally Posted by Evangelical
That's a strawman that we don't see Jesus Christ as the one minister of every age. There are many ministries such a the 5-fold ministry and obviously we are talking about the human channels God uses to carry out the ministry of Christ.
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Here comes one can be many and many can be one again!
If you don't want to talk about One, let's talk about more than one. How about :
2 Cor 3:6 Who has also made us sufficient as ministers of a new covenant, ministers not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Besides Christ being the One Minister, there are multiple ministers of the new convenant in the same age. Didn't Paul say "us" and "ministers"?
I hope you are not implying multiple levels of ministers like the Nicolaitans that you should hate.
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Paul never said "faith alone". There is actually no verse in the whole bible which says we are saved by faith alone. I'm just stating the facts here.
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Are you saying Luther didn't get the idea from the verses in the bible and got this idea from a new vision uniquely granted to him? Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to downplay Luther's ministry. He helped to make this idea known to many. I was just saying it doesn't make him the only minister of the age.