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Originally Posted by Ohio
where is the "real dialogue" you propose when posters address serious issues at LSM? Suddenly you vanish like a puff of cyber-smoke.
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I mentioned the various "centers of the universe" promoted by Lee at various times, as examples of inconsistency and subjectivism. Whatever "the spirit" was leading to was the center of the universe at that time. No matter that it was different from last month's center of the universe, or last year's. And what's the reply from Drake? That I have a bad attitude.
How could Lee minister such inconsistent and obviously self-contradictory things, and never get called on it? Sounds like intimidation at work, to me. Fear.
"That's not the LC I know", says Drake.
Not much of a dialogue
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Originally Posted by Drake
Fortunately we have you to enlighten, water and nourish us, provide fresh air, and guide us to find our destiny in Christ. From your posts I don't recognize any of those essentials in you or in your teachings but no doubt you do.
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If I fobbed myself off as the end-all of the Christian experience - you know, the apostle of the age, the last spiritual giant, God's deputy, God's oracle - then your comment might have some merit. But I don't.
I'm just a little nobody who got caught in the local church meatgrinder and came out the other side. I know my comments don't resonate with you but they seem to with a few here who've tried to pick up the pieces and go on.
But thanks for boldly presenting the minority view. Your opinion counts, too, just like everyone else's.
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Originally Posted by Drake
To my observation the victim/oppressor paradigm you live in demonstrates you are stuck. Really stuck. Perhaps being stuck prevents you from actually experiencing all the essentials you describe. I don't know for sure because I am not a psychiatrist or a psychologist. I just know that when you talk about forgiveness it rings hollow because you have not forgiven. Though you talk about growth I cannot find spiritual maturity in your expounding of scripture. You speak of freedom yet you appear to be the most bound. What destiny in Christ do you propose to lead others to? Is that destiny what the modern reformed churches promote today?
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I am not an apologist for the modern reformed churches. But Lee's "christless" comment is probably more appropriate for his local churches than anyone else. I think I've explained why, in some detail.
Who gets to function in the local church of Lee? No one. Just recite the catechism from the HWMR. And if you want to "exercise your spirit", just shout the catechism from HWMR.
Anyone who tries to genuinely function, with a true revelation from God, and not a "ministry" derivative, is viewed with suspicion, as if they were "ambitious" or "drawing others to themselves". No, only Nee & Lee could do that.
And forgiveness - who have I forgiven? I dunno - who harmed me? I'm talking about bad ideas, here. Am I supposed to forgive a bad idea? No, I call it like it is. A bad idea.
Here's a good idea: "God loved the world so much that He sent His only begotten Son, that all who believe might not perish but have everlasting life" Good idea.
Here's a bad idea: "God sends out one apostle per age - one spiritual giant. And the last spiritual giant, Witness Lee, was the last MOTA, and now the age has turned." That's a bad idea - one of many, noted here on this forum. Sorry for calling it out. But that's what I see - a bad idea. How can I be nice to a bad idea? It's just not any good. It's harmful to the Christian polity, to the Christian journey. Please excuse my impoliteness. I wish there were a "nice" or "charitable" way to say, "Bad idea".
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Originally Posted by Drake
If you have found life, peace, and your destiny in Christ I am very happy for you. It just doesn't seem like it from what I read. Your description of the Lord's Recovery is, in so many ways, completely foreign.
Drake
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Of course you don't recognise your Lord's Recovery experience from my description. None of your posts thus far have indicated any opening in that direction. Why should it change, now? Am I supposed to be shocked and chagrined that you don't get it?
My life and peace is found in Jesus Christ alone. Not winning an argument online. I'm simply sharing what I've seen. I have my opinion, just like Witness Lee had his, and you have yours. I'm sharing my subjective impressions, just like Witness Lee did with his.
How come Lee got to give his opinion, and nobody else does?