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Originally Posted by John
Asking a person off the street
“Sir, could you help us with a survey today about language?”
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Like Bushnell says in Lesson 1 Fundamental in Point #39 :
"We could have said all this, in fewer words,"
Bushnell, Katharine C.. God's Word to Women (Annotated) (Unabridged) (Kindle Location 792). God's Word to Women, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
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Originally Posted by John
"To quickly get to the point, as it turns out, all of the verses with “virtuous” or “virtuously” used for the translation (four in all) are about women! The Hebrew word I am referring to as being translated this way is chayil, . . .
The next thing you could ask yourself would be this: Why is “virtuous” (and “virtuously”) used as a translation in all the verses with chayil that pertain to women? Do you think that it could have anything to do with gender bias?
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It could have. But as far as I know it hasn't been proven to be factually so. All I see concerning male bias is inference, no cause and effect direct link to proof that that is what the translating committees did. Do we have any first hand evidence, like primary source testimonies, or even one?
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Originally Posted by John
]As I stated in post #105, the unusual translation of one Greek word, oikodespoteō, that occurred once in the New Testament KJV is probably not enough to convince anyone that something questionable has taken place. Now, we have 240 plus instances of one Hebrew word in the Old Testament that has been given a number of English meanings that are in a similar vein except for four of them, and the thing that the four have in common is that they all have to do with women. Some may want to label me as a conspiracy theorist, but doesn’t this cause you to wonder what was afoot? Could this possibly be four instances in which the translation of chayil was influenced by the natural understanding related to gender? Let the reader decide.
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240 instances is still not actual evidence of wrong doing by the translators. Get me some eyewitnesses of that is what the translators were doing and this reader will not have to decide. This reader will believe the facts as recorded by an eyewitness that was there.
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Originally Posted by John
There is a lot more that I could say about this;
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Well keep trying brother. You haven't got there yet.
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Originally Posted by John
but, I will just recommend God’s Word to Women for more detail, since Katharine Bushnell describes it in great detail.
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As I've stated, we're digging into God's Word to Women on Alternative Views. And we'd like your view point. I wish when Untohim ported the thread to AltVs, he could have blended this one with that one, so posts here would also be printed on the AltV thread.
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Originally Posted by John
Good Christian men, rejoice!
Don’t be afraid, Christian men, to look with fresh eyes at the Word of God. . . .
Think about it: What if God’s work is hampered because about half of the body of Christ—Christian women—are hobbled in their walks with Jesus and have their God-given spiritual gifts squelched? What if we could release the spiritual gifts of this half by just realizing that God may have more in store for them than the roles we men have assigned to them due to a misunderstanding of some parts of the Bible? And, what if our misunderstanding was because of slight changes in translations of verses, like the one I pointed out in Proverbs 31 and in my previous post about ruling the house?
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But John, you and your wife are speaking to Bible inerrantists. And these are a stubborn minded bunch.
Now if you are trying to reach Christian men, that have appreciated The Enlightenment, you're wasting your time. They're already there. As I pointed out already (it may have been deleted) the secular world made an end run around the Bible and has come a long way at making women equal.