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Originally Posted by UntoHim
I think it might be good to start with three basic things.
#1 What was God's original plan/intention/order in the creation before the Fall? Obviously woman was created 2nd. Does this mean she is anything less or intrinsically inferior to man? Let's use the opening account of creation in Genesis in our attempt to ascertain the best answer. -
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Of course we aren't privy to God's original plan or intentions for women before the fall. And I find it interesting that Untohim wants to restrict our ascertainment to Genesis, and not the whole Bible, that depicts women as inferior.
But none of that concerns me. After reading this thread I wonder what's being defended. I see a defense against Jane's claim, that, the translators were biased men against women.
My concern is if all of the defense against Jane is actually a cover for defending that women should be subjugated by men.
If that is so, and I'm not sure it is, that's shameful. But it wouldn't be foreign in the local church. One of the elders in the c. in Detroit, where Ron Kangas was lead elder, ruled his house with his fist. I saw it. And a brother that lived with the elder that gave me the boot told me he ruled his wife and kids with his fists. So to me this is a very important matter.
If that's what is being defended then those defending would likely want to take care of Jane with their fist. And that's completely shameful. Maybe that's why Paul said not to touch a woman.
Sorry. I just had to say it. Please, those defending against Jane, tell us outright just what you are really defending. I would hate to find that we have members out here that believe women should be subjugated by any and all means.
I don't believe that that is what God intended for women.