[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Nell

You do understand that "Satan is behind the production of these lemon translations" is not the same as "Jane says that our bibles today are Satanic." ? Right?
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Generally the bible translators are thought to have performed their work with the oversight of the Holy Spirit. But if they are influenced by Satan as they translated then...?

Satan is behind part of the KJV bible?

In some places she ascribes the mistranslation directly to Satan:

"By changing Genesis 3:16 as he did, Satan mispresented God and how His authority works". ~ from lemon 1 "1 Corinthians 11:1–16".

So this is no longer just man and his natural male bias translating the Bible, but Satan himself translating the bible. Or is she referring to Satan as in his influence, or Satan the person?

Originally Posted by Nell

You do understand that the original Greek text is not the same as the text translated by men into English? Right? The original Greek and Hebrew text has been preserved by God for all time.

I think we can all agree they are not the same. Something is always lost in translation which means the Greek or Hebrew is superior to the English. But the doctrine of biblical preservation says that God preserves the meaning even in translation.

By the way, the "original" New Testament could have been written in Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic, there's no clear cut "original". What we say is the "original Greek" may not be the original.
If we believe that God preserved the translation from Hebrew or Aramaic into Greek or whatever the "original language" truly was, we must also believe He preserved the translation from Greek into English.

Originally Posted by Nell

Uh...8 verses. Jane discusses 8 verses which she believes were translated with influence of male bias which changed the meaning of the verses. She makes her case, and suggests that the translators should take another look at the verses.

46 verses in total if I count correctly. It seems significant to me, because when I think about it, the number of verses inserted by translators to support the doctrine of the Trinity are no more than 5 or so.

Errors, insertions and deletions happen, I'm just not sure it's as many verses that the book claims.

Originally Posted by Nell

I'll ask again, are you talking about preserving the original Greek or the multitude of translations which were translated by men who are subject to bias and prejudice?

Like you. You are so biased and prejudiced against Jane that you can't carry on a rational discussion about what Jane actually said without twisting and perverting it into something she didn't say.

The doctrine of biblical preservation says that God is able to preserve the meaning of the translations, not just the original Greek (which are themselves possibly translations from an original language, Hebrew or Aramaic).

Originally Posted by Nell

Will you stop? No. Jane's website does not "proclaim" such ludicrous assertions. Everyone who believes this, please go to Jane's website and find out for yourself at www.lemonstograpes.com what disingenuous fake news pours from this man.

If this man tells you what day it is, better check the calendar.

When a website says that 46 verses of the bible are lemons, translated by Satan, I can't think of any other way to put it.

It says that Satan changed the bible right here:

"By changing Genesis 3:16 as he did, Satan mispresented God and how His authority works".

page 13, http://lemonstograpes.com/eight-lemo...d-into-grapes/.

People can look for themselves if interested.

Maybe she didn't mean Satan himself, but "Satan" indwelling the natural man, like Lee taught. If so then it sounds better.

Originally Posted by Nell

"It seems evident that the translators weren't really sure..."

You do understand that seems evident is a statement that opens the door to a possibility but is not definitive. Then she explains how she came to pose the possibilities.

"The way they translated his words suggests they were under the influence of male bias". ~ of course, she knows exactly what the translators were thinking, she's the expert right?

You do understand that suggests means that she DOESN'T know exactly what the translators were thinking? She never claimed to be an "expert".

She likes to guess what the translators were thinking, even to suggest what translators were thinking is to me an impossible task. If the Greek translation is wrong, then the right approach to me would be to review the Greek translation and make the corrections into English. Argue from the point of view of the Greek not the English. This is what Prof Wallace etc do. They know the Greek language, they know the typical usesage, the structure, verbs, nouns, and all that. They know, that a verse at the end of a chapter relates to a verse at the start of the next, because of the structure, the beginning and the ends.

Originally Posted by Nell

You do understand that Jane didn't actually change God's Word? Right? She suggested a possible change in the translation that would make said translation make sense?

She hasn't changed anything I agree. But she did change some things around to make it make sense (to her).

Originally Posted by Nell

And the problem with this is? If something is translated incorrectly, isn't it the responsibility of Bible translators to get it right?

I agree. But it's not clear that it is translated incorrectly. Does Jane even detail when and where these errors came into being? Was it Wycliffe's translation comittee? Was it the KJV? Was it all of them?

The English Revised Version has done a good job at fixing most of them. The work was entrusted to over 50 scholars from various denominations in Britain. American scholars were invited to co-operate.

Has none of the hundreds of people involved in bible translation found these errors? Are they all influenced by Satan? Is every male influenced by Satan just because he is male?

If Jane is right then this could be a very significant thing. She could get in touch with bible publishers and ask them to look into it, or something like that if she hasn't already. There must be female bible translators on the bible translation committees these days I would think.