[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Drake

Aron "Interesting. You create a contrived scenario (monasteries and monks) and say Luther of 1523 wouldn't fit into the Lutheran church today. This hypocrisy, so-called, justifies the hypocrisy of "Local Churches" basing their teachings on women's ministries while no longer allowing them the same? Does this make the church pure and spotless in your eyes? And how much do you think God thinks like this? Really?"

If the Luther example is contrived so is your women's argument. That is the point.

First, you cannot possibly know if the function of Ruth Lee, Peace Wang, Dora Yu, ME Barber, etc. would be accepted today.They were then and they could now. It is God who selects the gifts, gives them to men according to his place and time. What is contrived is your crafting a static model as if what worked once should work anytime and any place as if God follows your schedule and rules. He doesn't. Luther had his moment, those sisters had theirs, and made a big contribution. Give God the glory. It's history.

Second, you are conflating Gods government and universal order with functioning of gifts. Sisters who submit to Gods governmental order bring strength to the churches and to the functioning of the Body. I have witnessed very talented sisters who functioned in the fellowship of the Body, including from the podium, who brought refreshing and insight to the churches. I have also witnessed equally talented sisters, thankfully only a few, who functioned independently and not in submission to Gods governmental arrangement and brought chaos and disruption to the churches. Equally talented and gifted, but two very different results.

You cannot convince me that your theories would have made a difference in practice because your theories are in a completely different realm from the divine revelation. But don't misunderstand, I am not suggesting that this is relevant everywhere in the world but I am saying that in the administration of God government it is crucial. For any properly functioning body its members know their function and operate within the limits of their God endowed capacity.

Drake

If Luther or Calvin joined the forum today UntoHim would call them antiquitated and misogynist.