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Originally Posted by Ohio
Correct. That's what happened to Austin, Tx.
Not only so, but the leader must also get all the credit, all the glory, for the successes. In this regard, Cleveland was the same as Anaheim. The success of any subordinate is always viewed with suspicion. A fruitful subordinate is always viewed as a potential rival. This is systemic to the program.
Hence, the ultimate irony. Lee was "successful" in the US until he took over. Ask anyone from Elden Hall why the Lord blessed them, and they will tell you that Lee was not responsible for their blessing. Yet hagiography demanded it. So, by the time Lee did take over the Recovery, every one of his numerous "winds and waves of teaching" was a failure, despite the manufactured results.
Hence, a twofold response to failure was always mandated. First, blame all failures on subordinates. Second, steal all the glory from those who happened to bear fruit.
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Wow! bro Ohio! Why don't you knock it outta de park? Great and penetrating post.
You know, I have a friend from early on in the c. in Ft. Laud (1974-75). He's Hosepipe out here, but we don't hear much from him. Cuz we don't want to. I'll just say he don't mince words concerning "Witless Lee" as he likes to call him.
He was at the infamous Elden Hall when at its peak ... when the Holy Spirit took over the meetings, I'm told, by him. Infamous might not be the right word. It implies something bad. Maybe it's infamous cuz it's when Witless Lee killed the Holy Spirit.
Anyway bro Ohio, when you brought up hagiography it got me thinking. Then I wondered if Elden Hall, and the hyper-grand stories of supernatural goings-on, with the telling of unbelievable stories, of powerful moving's of the Holy Spirit, isn't riddled with hagiography.
I can tell you tho, it changed Hosepipe from that point on. Cuz he knew when the Holy Spirit was present or not. I remember he'd get up and walk out of the meeting. Later when I asked him why he said, "cuz the Holy Spirit wasn't there."
And he was right. The Holy Spirit wasn't needed. The lead elder. Mel Porter, took over. He had a group of 14 brothers in his trust, that he was using to "seed" the meetings, the way the elder wanted it to go, and to make it look like the Holy Spirit was guiding the meetings. It's a real sleight of hand (or in this case 'mind') trick. Hosepipe quit coming to meetings, because the Spirit wasn't there, he said, before he knew about the elder seeding the meetings.
But I digress. Back to hagiography and Elden stories. One story Hosepipe told me about what happened at Elden was that, in the meetings they would all in unison make up brand new songs, singing them together on the fly, with no one missing a single word, or note, or messing up out of confusion. And that proved to Hosepipe that the Holy Spirit was mightily moving at Elden. Is it fantastical? Well yes. It might just be hagiography of Elden speaking.
Hey. How far back does Hon go? Does he know about Elden? Can he add to the wonders of the hagiographying of Elden?