Thread: Women's Role
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Old 07-25-2017, 02:20 PM   #2
Nell
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Default Re: Men's Role

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Originally Posted by OBW View Post
Many good questions. But I'll stick to this one for now.

I cannot say that the leadership is not responsible for the current situation. But there is nothing that makes the situation what it is because the leadership was male. That is a presumption that you cannot establish because there is nothing to support it other than a desire to change things up and see what happens.

And it could work.

But it could be little more than correlation. People do what people do. They do not always see the best way to do things. Do we have any evidence that it would be different if the whole thing had been reversed and it was the women who had lead to where were would be today under their leadership. I would agree that the current state might be different in specific outcome, but are you sure that it would be different in overall outcome? Different problems but overall similar?

There is no doubt that the arguments for strictly subservient roles for women has been detrimental to both the women and society in general. Just as arguing for other positions, like slavery, has resulted in much trouble over the centuries and is still with us today.

But is it simply a "male" thing? Will including women in leadership fix the problems? And it could be that the nature of the problems just changes. Problem is that women are human too. we all have a propensity for sin.

But beyond that, you are correct. We are all the church, the body of Christ. And that church is affected by the people who are part of it. Both male and female.

Surely there are some women who should not lead. Just as there as some men that should not lead. For the men, a problem is that the ones that really want to lead are too often the ones that should not. And while the outcomes could be very different with women, it could be that the same thing applies there as well. But for both, there are hopefully some who are willing to lead if called to it.
OBW,

I don't disagree with any of your points. Are the problems in today's church because the leaders are male? I doubt it's a "male thing" per se.

Again, I just don't think a misogynist has the moral high ground to point his long crooked finger at women as not qualified for church leadership when males haven't done themselves proud in a leadership role. Can women do better? Over time, probably not. I don't think the real problem is "who's in charge, male or female."

To me, the real problem is both a male AND female problem. That is, the church is divided. It's divided not only by denominations, but within denominations the church is divided by male and female factions. Neither men nor women will "do better" until this division is dealt with.

Is Christ divided? NO. Division is sin. Nothing seems to be as destructive as division. If men and women cared less about "whose in charge" and more about the headship of Christ, the church would have fewer spots and wrinkles. This is the change that I desire.

Nell

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