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Originally Posted by Igzy

We've given you chances to demonstrate otherwise. Yet again and again when the chips were down, you have not stepped up and been completely honest. Like I said, tell me one major thing you disagree with Witness Lee about. I dare you. Are you afraid, or do you really agree with him on everything?

Do you think completely agreeing with a man is normal? Do you think thousands of people completely agreeing with him is normal? Tell us why. Make the case for this being normal behavior. Do you think God is going to punish you if you disagree publicly with him? Isn't that a fear of yours? Then admit it. Are you also afraid of admitting you are afraid? If everyone should be afraid of disagreeing with Lee then why not tell us all plainly why that is so, instead of manifestly acting that way and then pretending you are not.

What is it about Witness Lee that causes you to behave that way? Is it him or just the authority doctrine? Or both? Either way it seems very irrational to me. And like I said, I know, because I used to think the way you do. So when I say what it is, I'm not talking out of my rear, and it's not ad hominem.

Drake, do you agree with Witness Lee that Genesis 9.25 is justification for the slavery of African Americans?

Drake, do you agree with Nee's and Lee's teachings here?

W. Nee & W. Lee both appeal to Noah’s blessing on his two sons, Shem & Japheth and his curse upon Ham to illustrate submission to God’s deputy authority. W. Nee asserts, “Ham’s descendents were to be slaves, put under others’ authority, for generation after generation,” due to exposing Noah’s nakedness. Plus W. Lee says “According to history and geography, Shem, Noah's 1st son, was the forefather of the Hebrews, the Jews. Ham, his 2nd son, was the forefather of the black people. Ham's son was Cush, the forefather of Ethiopia. Japheth, Noah's 3rd son, was the forefather of the Europeans.” Hence, Noah’s three sons are identified as the ancestors of 3 ethnic-racial groups—the Jews, “black people,” and “the Europeans.” He then declares, “Ham has been cursed…he became a slave of slaves. Has this been proved by history or not? It has.” (p. 450) Hence, W. Lee says “Ham…was the forefather of the black people.” “Ham has been cursed…he became a slave of slaves.” This, W. Lee says, has been proven by history--black slavery was the fulfillment of Noah’s curse upon Ham. Thus a hierarchical Trinity based on authority/submission is used to justify the hierarchical subjugation of Blacks.