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Originally Posted by Drake
Igzy) "On a more basic level the story is showing, vividly, that the judgment of the flood did not solve man's basic sin problem. Man was just as fallen as before. Another solution was still needed. "
Yes, I agree.
Igzy) "Where is the evidence that God approved of or supported Noah's curse? "
Probably the first biblical recorded instance of fulfillment of the curse on Canaan was Joshua 16:10 and 17:12-13.
I am still thinking about why Canaan was selected for a direct hit on the curse. History shows Ham's other sons and their descendents went on to found great empires Egypt and Babylon. Although it is thought provoking that when the descendents of Cush were taken captive they were exposed to a similar shame as Noah (Isaiah 20:4).
Drake
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Those verses give no evidence that God backed the curse.
I'm not saying the curse had no effect. Certainly it did. Words are powerful. Unfortunately especially negative ones.
But still the fact that Noah's curse had impact and effect is no evidence that God approved of or backed the curse. It may simply be a stark warning to watch what we say (Matt 12:36).
Imagine the effect Noah's curse had on his young grandson. Don't you think the boy loved and looked up to Noah? But Noah, in a fog of hangover and embarrassment (been there myself), said something he probably regretted the rest of his life (done that too). What do you think his grandson's self-esteem was like after that? What do you think the fruit of that was?
It may still be true that the interpretation that Noah was issuing some sort of righteous judgment is correct. But nothing of what we know about what Jesus taught supports this. Jesus never intimated that authority figures, because they are authority figures, get to curse people because they got embarrassed. And look at the fruit of Nee and Lee's take on this passage. It resulted in nothing but lording, bullying and people being taken advantage of (like the sisters Philip Lee molested who were swept under the rug.)
Sorry, I don't buy it. I think Nee's interpretation of this is completely missing what God intended to say.