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Originally Posted by A little brother
Drake, I respect your vision. Yet, after 40 some years, in your own view, how much closer is the Lord's Recovery to that vision?
I don't know about you, but my own personal feeling is that it is
* getting less local (the "One Ministry" outweighing the locality);
* not getting universal (widening of the gap between the Lord's Recovery and Christianity plus divisions from within);
* less personal ("corporate experience" outweighing the personal);
* and functioning more mechanically than organically (jumping to "answers" in the RcV footnotes and ministry messages instead of going through the necessary personal exploration and meditation to get the truth).
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ALB, this is an important point. For all the grandiose claims Lee made, where is the fruit? You have provided an excellent list of the fruit of WL's "ministry" above (which I edited into bullet points, I hope that's OK).
The requirements for speaking in God's name are high, to say the least. Deut. 18 talks about the prophet who presumes to speak what God has not spoken. How does one know the source, whether it be God or man...a false prophet?
If the prophesy comes to pass, it was spoken by God. In Deut. 13 the same topic is covered with the stipulation that the prophesy does not lead the people to serve other Gods.
Has Witness Lee's "vision/ministry" come to pass? How does Witness Lee measure up to the standard for only speaking what God speaks? Does Lee's ministry point others to God or to Lee?
I think the answers to these questions have been well established. Then there's your question:
"Yet, after 40 some years, in your own view, how much closer is the Lord's Recovery to that vision?"
The "vision" of Martin Luther has withstood the test of time. Justification by faith was "uncovered" because it was locked away in a language that few understood. Luther worked much of his life to translate the Bible into a language that was understood, then worked to set the translated Bible to press, making it available to the people. Christianity has progressed 500 years on this simple fact which was "uncovered" by Luther:
Rom. 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Justification by faith withstood the test of time because it was spoken by God...not Luther.
Your list of the fruit of Witness Lee's "vision", after 40 years, is a good one.
Nell