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Originally Posted by Drake
Igzy) "I really don't know what to make of your claims that you never heard anyone say that leaving the LCM was wrong"
Hi Igzy.
There is a difference between telling someone they can't leave a group and telling them they are wrong to leave a group. One could be abuse, the other could just be concern for your soul.
In this thread I have sincerely tried to understand your view and how you might interpret things differently than I do. What were the differences in our experience, was it something we did differently, events, our circumstances, our backgrounds, or something neither of us have realized? At this point, I think we experienced pretty much the same things. You heard them one way, I heard them differently. You interpret them as someone brainwashing you, I interpret them as someone's caring and sharing the convictions of their beliefs. Same speaking, different interpretation.
In summary, we will likely never gain a full understanding of this matter or each other beyond what we have shared here. Still, I do not recognize the "dreadful" church life you describe, the abuse you claim, the brainwashing, etc. Rather, in my experience, through all these decades the church life has been a sweet visitation from the Lord. The brothers and sisters really are family in the richest sense. The leading brothers are servants dedicated to ministering Christ into others. In their speaking the Word has never been clearer, more open, or invigorating to me. The Spirit is guiding and directing and collaborating with a governing vision. Truth and Life are prevailing. Struggles? Certainly. Grace to overcome? Abundantly.
Is that unique? In my experience it is... absolutely. To you, it is not.
Thanks for the dialogue.
Drake
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I also have had some heated discussions over this with Igzy. I think the difference between us is that he was in Austin and I was in Houston. If you read the detailed testimonies of the Barber's kid it gives a very different view of being in the the LRC from ours.
You say you were a contemporary of Igzy and might have broken bread with him, therefore we are contemporaries as well and it is highly likely that we also broke bread together.
When you read UntoHim's testimonies (he was from Orange county) it is quite clear that a local church that close to Anaheim had a different view of WL than one further away like Houston.
Ultimately I have concluded that the Local Churches were strongly influenced by the elders in that locality and that made a big difference. I was influenced by Ray G and Benson P. That apparently is a big difference from Austin and also from some of the Orange County locales.