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Igzy: "So I like for you to try to respond to my whole argument that telling people they can't leave your group is an abusive practice.
And also tell me: Who is responsible for my suffering? Just me? I accept some responsibility. I should have gotten Christian counseling. But I expect you are thinking that, well, if I hadn't had left I wouldn't have suffered.
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Originally Posted by Drake
I have never heard anyone at anytime ever tell anyone else that they can't leave the church life. Holding people, verbally or physically, against their will would be an abusive practice. People came and went all the time, sometimes several times.
Also, I would not tell you that your suffering would have been alleviated had you stayed. On the contrary, from your description you would've continued to suffer. If we ever had had the opportunity to fellowship back then I would have pleaded with you to forget trying to live up to that standard no matter who established it, you or someone else, and rather to just pray and enjoy the Lord together. Under the circumstances, you might have misunderstood my intentions even at that.
Drake
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So ... I can also say this, "
I have never heard anyone at anytime ever tell anyone else that they can't leave the church life."
Duh! Things were a little more subtle than that, don't you think? Aren't you just lawyering here? LC equivocations really make me nauseous.
Have you never heard the awful stories about those who left the LC? Got cancer of the throat for objecting to WL's ground of locality? Warnings about never going on with the Lord after leaving? Unable to be sanctified outside the recovery? Miss the Lord's blessings?
Sure you did!