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Originally Posted by Igzy
If my arguments are hard to refute you might consider asking yourself why. Hint: I don't do it with tricks and mirrors.
I have no personal preference for Drake. I have a preference for people who are reasonable, fair-minded and honest thinkers. But my observation is that even the most seemingly reasonable LCMers eventually succumb to irrationality. Why, because their values force them to.
If you guys have a corner on the truth you ought to be able to answer any question, any argument, any misgiving. But you can't and you really don't even try. You just keep repeating the same mantras as if they answer all the questions.
There are whole ministries out there devoted to the defense of the faith. Many of them are amazing in their research and insights. There is nothing like that in the LCM. All DCP does is find more ways to call everyone who disagrees with them stupid or evil. But they do not try to defend the LCM dogma with the kind of humble and loving sincerity you see in other faith defense ministries. They never admit to faults, and that is the calling card of phonies.
If I was leading the LCM (assuming I believed in it) I have my best and brightest on this board every day fighting the battle. After all, if what you believe can't stand up to argument, why believe it? But there's not a peep. Awfully strange if you ask me. Sounds to me they know they's lose so they just content themselves by netting the dupes who don't ask questions and do what they are told.
I know you try hard Evangelical, and I believe you and Drake want to be sincere. But you have your priorities screwed up. Truth comes first, faith second. Not the other way around. And the LCM insists having it the other way around.
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The DCP has many many articles available online that address all familiar concerns in a thoughtful, scriptural, and unoffensive way.
It's very hard for us to refute personal experiences and other matters relating to people and circumstances from 30 years ago. I don't think the ministries you mention can even do that.
But I can give my opinion about the question you posed to Drake - does God expect us to stay in the LCM. When I first joined the Recovery, I recall a brother telling us that we should follow the Lord, which seemed to extend to which fellowship we choose to belong to. But was he saying that to make me feel better and get me hooked? Or did he genuinely believe that the Lord may or may not lead one to the Recovery. There was a time when I attended a variety of denominations in addition to the Recovery. I seemed to be accepted in the Recovery as anyone who was "sold out". It was actually negative experiences in the denominations I attended which made the decision for me. One of those denominations cared that I attended other churches, they felt it was a kind of betrayal. The Recovery did not seem to care at all. A number of members had wives, parents, children, who attended denominations.