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Evangelical · 05-05-2017, 11:32 PM

I think the bigger issue is not my use of the word "we" (that is only a distraction), but that Igzy is misrepresenting the facts or cannot interpret a simple graph (I hope he doesn't work in finance).

I think this is a major embarrassment for Igzy that he is using a chart entitled "non-denominationalism on the rise" and showing declining denominationalism to disprove my statement that denominationalism is on the decline. If anyone want to disprove my statement they have to find a chart which shows the major denominations actually increasing in number, not decreasing. A major embarrassment for me is that I cannot find a chart to disprove myself. Maybe I am right afterall.

I said...
"the decline in numbers in church attendance,....is across the board of most denominations."

The chart shows exactly that. The chart shows 5 major protestant denominations in decline. But according to Igzy this is only "some denominations are down".

Non-denominational is increasing at 428% and "other" (whatever other represents, AoG I think) at 16%. Everyone else is down.

From the full article here:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/eds...ost-recen.html

Soon, a third of all evangelicals will be nondenominational.

Despite recent data from LifeWay Research, which found most Americans are open to denomination churches, many pastors feel they can be more effective by not promoting their denominational affiliation.

- yup, it's that name/affiliation issue again, which everyone here says is unimportant, and I've been saying it is all along. The rise of non-denominationalism is a step away from de-name-iating. Pastors find it more effective probably because when you promote a particular denomination of Christianity it turns people away, it even divides.

05-05-2017, 11:32 PM	#72
Evangelical Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 3,965	Re: The Unique Move of God I think the bigger issue is not my use of the word "we" (that is only a distraction), but that Igzy is misrepresenting the facts or cannot interpret a simple graph (I hope he doesn't work in finance). I think this is a major embarrassment for Igzy that he is using a chart entitled "non-denominationalism on the rise" and showing declining denominationalism to disprove my statement that denominationalism is on the decline. If anyone want to disprove my statement they have to find a chart which shows the major denominations actually increasing in number, not decreasing. A major embarrassment for me is that I cannot find a chart to disprove myself. Maybe I am right afterall. I said... "the decline in numbers in church attendance,....is across the board of most denominations." The chart shows exactly that. The chart shows 5 major protestant denominations in decline. But according to Igzy this is only "some denominations are down". Non-denominational is increasing at 428% and "other" (whatever other represents, AoG I think) at 16%. Everyone else is down. From the full article here: http://www.christianitytoday.com/eds...ost-recen.html Soon, a third of all evangelicals will be nondenominational. Despite recent data from LifeWay Research, which found most Americans are open to denomination churches, many pastors feel they can be more effective by not promoting their denominational affiliation. - yup, it's that name/affiliation issue again, which everyone here says is unimportant, and I've been saying it is all along. The rise of non-denominationalism is a step away from de-name-iating. Pastors find it more effective probably because when you promote a particular denomination of Christianity it turns people away, it even divides.