[Freedom]

Originally Posted by aron

I think "Christ and the church" was just a back-door for "the church" which itself was a back-door for "the ministry" which was all about someone assuming control. If it was really all about the church then Luther never should have left the RCC.

Remember that Jesus said, "My ekklesia"; there were other ekklesia out there. The ekklesia of Jesus is about one thing: Jesus bringing us home to the Father. It's not about the ground or the ministry or the ministry's various 'truths' and 'flows'.

The Spirit reveals Jesus, and Jesus shows us the Father. In the church of Jesus, the subject isn't ever the church. If it is, we've taken our eyes off of the prize. We've been mesmerised by a sleight-of-hand shell game. Which shell is the pea under? Maybe under the "ministry" shell? Or the "Body" shell? or the ... you get my point.

Don't be fooled by close-but-no-cigar imitations. Jesus is the truth, and the way home to the Father. This is our unending focus. He alone has the ministry of the age; this age, and every age to come. . . in heaven, on earth, under the earth. Jesus is the way. There is no other way.

Lee seemed to think that it was possible to care about Christ, but not the church. The reality is that the two are inseparable as it pertains to our understanding, so Lee's talk of "Christ and the Church" was a straw man intended to shift focus away from Christ.