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Originally Posted by Drake
OBW,
I'm not exactly sure what you meant to say in your last post. However it appears as if you are overgeneralizing this matter of Zoe.
John 1:4 says in Him was Zoe.
John 1010 says He came that we might have Zoe abundantly.
First Corinthian's 15;45 says that He became a life giving spirit.
Helps elaborates on that last reference in this way:
2227 /zōopoiéō ("make alive, enliven") is particularly used of God infusing His life in the believer. The Lord infuses eternal life (zōē) into us each time we receive (obey) faith from Him. This enables living with God – not just for Him (cf. Gal 2:20; Ro 8:28-30; 1 Jn 5:4). His self-existent, all-powerful life overcomes all the deadly effects of sin.
http://biblehub.com/greek/2227.htm
Drake |
What I am saying is that there is not some exclusive lock on the use of the term zoe with respect to God's life only. And none of the verses that you mention refer to what is the zoe discussed as being "God's life." That God provided it to us does not simply make it God's life or make God's life = zoe.
I am not disputing all that God provides to us. It is the erroneous use of the term as if it somehow is defined as being God's life. And that it does not exist outside of what God gives according to these verses. God's life is zoe. Just as Chevrolet is an automobile. (A is B) But Zoe is not God's life. Just as an automobile is not simply a Chevrolet (except in the particular instance in which it is).
You have ignored that part of the discussion, which is all that I have been saying. In many different ways since you just keep coming back to the fact that verses are used that have the word "zoe" in them and you default to "zoe = God's life."
And you keep being all incensed that I could use the word zoe in such a way that it is in any way associated with a beer (even indirectly). As if I am comparing God to beer (which I never did and would never do). However, when it comes to the understanding of what is zoe, both beer and God can come into the conversation. They do not result in the same content of life that would be described within zoe, but they are both something that could affect the recognition of zoe.
It changes the discussion from "God gives zoe and nothing else does" to "God provides the means to the life that would really be termed as zoe." This does not demean or lower God. It just recognizes that the references to zoe are to something that ordinary people understood in contexts in which God was not part of the equation. So the statements recorded in the Bible are saying that our life, when analyzed under the thought of "zoe," should be something that we really see as high quality of life. It is quality that is really quality (to replace the word "zoe" in that one verse).