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Originally Posted by Drake
Is the life that the Spirit gives zoe?
That is the point. You drew a false equivalence with a beer.
Drake
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Actually, you do not properly understand what I said. I said that the process of "going for all the gusto you can get," which was used in a beer commercial, was describing going for zoe. A full life. More than just breathing and filling space. More than just working and getting a paycheck.
I did not equate them. Lee did by insisting that zoe is simply God's life.
But the life that the Spirit gives is not simply zoe. Neither is zoe simply God's life.
The life that the Spirit gives is God's life. In terms of ability to achieve or experience zoe, having God's life is a definite plus. But it is arguable that there are a whole lot of people with God's life that are not currently experiencing zoe, though they could. But having God's life is a plus because it can help us to look past the "momentary affliction" or other hindrance to what would be called zoe and thereby do more than just live biologically and psychologically.
But zoe is not simply God's life. That is just not so. It is something else. But it is able to help us in achieving zoe. And to experience zoe when others would not. And to bear up under hardship when no one would pretend that things are very "zoe."
The false equivalence here your simplication that the life that God gives is zoe. The problem with the statement is that zoe is a very human life. It is very achievable without God, otherwise the word would not have existed before the Bible for use in the Bible.
Zoe is the fullness of life (human life). God's life is not the fullness of human life. It is God's life. But having God's life is clearly a plus in getting to the fullness of human life.
And if you want to remain stuck with Lee's "zoe is just God's life" mantra, don't bother responding. I'm not impressed with purely "theological" definitions that most likely did not exist at the time of writing.