[Nell]

Originally Posted by OBW

This is where the whole premise looks like an attempt to swing the pendulum rather than find truth.

Really. This statement sounds like you assume that "finding the truth" is VS. "swinging the pendulum." Often, the results of arriving at truth will spontaneously swing the pendulum with little or no effort on anyone's part. Regardless, you have missed the point.

The very idea that the garden was open to Eve but not Adam is patently ridiculous. Under this premise, there would be no more human race. Under the standard reading of Genesis, at that point there was only Adam and Eve. Separating them would be tantamount to the extermination of the human race.

Absolutely. It's SO ridiculous that I'm surprised that you would seriously float it as a response. You misunderstood what I was saying. Why not ask for clarification rather than make yourself look silly.

I'm sorry, but there is a reason that getting too embroiled emotionally in trying to get a result is a dangerous place to be. It leads to absurd conjecturing (theorizing).

Ah! The "emotion card." I really didn't think anyone on this forum would dare to play it, but there it is.

Another dangerous place to be is making your own absurd conjectures based on a book you have not read.

I will agree that there is nothing stating either way is true. But the outcome of your way to look at it v the outcome of the other is rather implausible. The difference between plausible and implausible is a valid reason to reject one in favor of the other when there is no direct evidence for either.

This makes no sense.

You would do well to stick with the problem of translations resulting in the erroneous mistreatment of women. Keep away from fantasizing about a world in which women get things right and men get it all wrong. As it is, you are showing how it is that women are just as prone to reading favor to themselves into the Bible. Looks more like a mea culpa than some important revelation or substantive theory.

This is a discussion about A Woman of Chayil. You would do well to read it. Your remarks hardly do it justice. You seem more interested in misunderstanding than understanding, along with a touch of patronizing advice to me.

One point of the book is that women and men alike have perpetuated the mistreatment of...mostly women. Women believe the 8 mistranslated verses just like men do. Maybe you haven't come to the place in the book that explains this, but it's an important point. Another point is that it's important to get the translation of the Bible right. Men and women Bible translators should come together to review these verses for accuracy.

Nell