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Originally Posted by UntoHim
I see our Local Church of Witness Lee brothers have returned quickly to their "REGULARLY SCHEDULED ROUTINE OF MISUNDERSTANDING ON PURPOSE, THINKING ANY SISTER THAT HAS SOMETHING FROM GOD AND HIS WORD IS OUT OF PLACE, AND JUST BEING GENERALLY BULL-HEADED AND HOSTILE TO OUR FELLOW HEIRS OF THE GRACE OF LIFE".
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The thing is, that you (as non local church members) have the freedom to use, quote and reference all of the masses of theological literature out there to support your view, and yet you don't, too busy quacking about Lee/Nee and ducking for cover when I post articles from a real expert like Wallace.
I believe we local church members were encouraged to go to "outside sources" in previous threads. Do you want us to quote Nee/Lee? I can certainly do that, and would much prefer to. But as that seems to be discouraged (people usually respond along the lines of "this is not about Lee or Nee", "I don't care what Lee/Nee says"), I have made it a habit to quote things from mainstream where necessary.
And now when the things we post from mainstream theology disagree with your views, you say we should not go to outside sources? I would think it is rather embarrassing for you when local church members quote from reputable theology and you and your members do not. Too busy promoting a book by an ex-member with a sorry tale. This is not really about Jane and her book anyway, but more about the one she quotes from - God's Word to Women by the feminist Katharine C. Bushnell who presents nonsense such as the devil using "natural male bias":
She discovered that the devil had craftily used natural male bias to torque the translation just enough to lay a foundational false belief about woman.
So all of our translations and male Greek experts, Luther, Calvin etc are wrong because of the devil subtlety using their "natural male bias".
So the devil has never used the "natural female bias", ever? The natural female bias to be deceived was used by Satan in the garden of Eden. Man has been suffering the consequence ever since.
Much of what I have posted from outside sources agrees or closely matches with the local churches view, and disagrees with your view. This is a pattern I am seeing regularly on this forum - many arguments here are not supported by mainstream evangelical Christianity (neither are mine, granted, but aren't you the ones who have left Lee and returned to mainstream?). Your views and arguments can often be defeated by quoting Christian apologetic ministries like CARM, perhaps because they are tending towards liberalism more than you think.
People on this forum are not restricted as Drake and I are (as you say). So I'm wondering what is stopping you or others from posting articles from reputable experts for everyone's benefit, such as I did with Daniel B. Wallace? If you are serious about learning some scholarly things then please see the articles I posted by the New Testament expert Daniel B. Wallace.
In Gen 2-3, we see an interesting phenomenon relevant to 1 Tim 2. God teaches man, man teaches woman, the devil is out of the picture. That's Gen 2. But in Gen 3, we see the devil teaching woman, woman teaching man, and God is out of the picture. And this is Paul's argument: there is a divinely ordained order to things that, if disturbed, could bring ruin. ~Daniel B. Wallace
"women who wish to teach men are actually restricting their ministries." ~ Daniel B. Wallace.
The "divinely ordained order to things" is what the local churches believe and practice. This is in contrast to the "anything goes, do what you want" of liberal churches. The local churches allow women to fulfill their ministries and callings because they do not restrict women to teaching men, as Wallace wrote. Like Wallace, it is also my observation that women who wish to teach men are so focused on this goal that they forget their true calling and ministry. Some women start acting and sounding like men as well. I believe a woman respecting God's divine order in the church and fulfilling her true calling is more important than a successful ministry or doing many good works in a ministry she has no business to be doing.