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Originally Posted by Evangelical
No fault of his own. Because of faulty bible translations, of course.
Who do you want?
I got Luther, Calvin, Augustine, Tertullian...
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I want Jesus. Sorry.
What did Jesus teach on the place of women? And if nothing, why not? Not important? Left the mopping-up duties to Paul?
Again, my sense is that Paul addressed the tumult in the church by pointing to conventions and norms of social behavior. Why should the newly freed Christians become libertines, or up-end social convention? Why did Paul have to write, "Those who stole, steal no more"? Or point out, drunken-ness, or fornication, and reprove such behaviours? Because he was dealing with it: it was coming into the assembly. But that wasn't ever the core of the Christian message. So don't base your "normal church life" on ancient social convention.
Yet 2,000 years later this word is used as leverage to keep others in subjection. Like
OBW said, the SBC and/or others could play the same game: Ham's race were supposed to be slaves, or were supposed to be in lesser position. It's in the Bible; it's God's ordination - don't rebel against the divine arrangement.
So Tertullian doesn't cut it, unless you can show me Tertullian sourcing Jesus and not Paul. And did he or Augustine ever explain why Jesus didn't teach on women's place in the social order, church or otherwise? Or did Augustine just quote Paul? If you can't trace your teachings back to Jesus then you're a tape recorder, playing Paul and Tertullian and Augustine, trying to re-create by-gone social conventions, because they once were effective. Show us Jesus teaching this, or at least strongly inferring it. Think, don't just play ministry tapes.