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Originally Posted by OBW
This is a classic case of begging the question.
In the context of a discussion that is suggesting that men have been domineering because of their (mis)understanding of scripture you want to use the number of men v women as a yardstick to support the position that men did the heavy lifting, not the women? Or otherwise suggest that men are superior? That is a statement that cannot be made since the lack of women was not their inability to be involved or contribute, but the fact that they were excluded. And if there was a lack, that could be because the women were generally not educated the same as men. Not that they were somehow intrinsically inferior.
Please provide relevance so this discussion.
This is like relying on the words of Lee claiming a position to be correct as evidence that he is correct. Not talking about whether what he said aligns properly with scripture, but whether what he said/wrote can support his own assertions without scripture or even though contrary to scripture. It doesn't matter how right or wrong he ultimately is proved to be. Until it is proved from something other than his own claim of correctness, his words are what are being questioned, not what are being consulted to determine their own correctness.
The exclusion of women from things like the creation of the creeds or the determination of the canon of scripture is the issue that needs analysis and therefore cannot be used as proof that women should be excluded. We obviously are not going to rethink the canon of scripture if we determine that the exclusion of women was contrary to a proper understanding of the "place" of women according to scripture. But we cannot use that historical fact as proof that it should have been that way.
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I think facts such as these speak for themselves.
Where were the women when decision were made about which books should be considered part of the Canon?
Likewise, where were the women when the doctrine of the Trinity was defined?
Which Creeds were written by women? The apostles creed? The Nicene creed?
Likewise, in the Reformation, we know about Luther, Calvin etc. Where were the women?
Has there been any major move of God over the past centuries with a female leader? Maybe Kathryn Kuhlman?
I think it is related to Jesus choosing only males as his closest disciples. That tradition continued in the early church - there were no female bishops. We hear a lot about early church fathers, were there early church mothers?
I have read about the matter of why the author of Hebrews is unnamed, and some, have suggested that if it were written by a woman, there is good reason why that fact should be hidden. Yes on the one hand it is positive that at least one woman
possibly (hypothesis only) wrote a book of the bible. On the other hand it is a negative if her authorship was hidden because of male domination at the time.