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Originally Posted by zeek

From my POV, when I see a comment that is consonant with LC thinking, I call it as such. If you think I'm wrong, just say so.

As I see it,a belief or practice is not wrong simply because such is held or practiced by the LC. I can explain why I disagree with the LC. If you hold to LC teaching, that's your choice. There's no whammy.

If my views are conservative or Biblical, they may seem LCish to you because that was your (only?) Christian context. Also, your leadership in S. Florida under Mel Porter took every LC problem to great extremes, almost unrecognizable to me personally. Regarding these extremes, my only point of reference is what I have read from others' similar to yours.

I don't hold any stances because you consider them liberal. I won't reconsider a stance because you label it "liberal." Now if you give me a sound argument why I should reconsider a stance I'm taking, I'll consider it.

OK. I consider the wholesale slaughter of the unborn as a liberal-defining position identified as "women's rights." I left the Democratic party over abortion back in 1973, when we organized peaceful protests and parades in Cleveland bringing abortion clinics under public scrutiny. Would you reconsider your stance on abortion?

Now that is surprising. On March 6, 1961 President John F. Kennedy issued an executive order, which included a provision that government contractors "take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin." I was under the impression that you thought that people should be discriminated against if they were "Mooslim" [sic]. Shows how wrong I can be.

That's right. Big difference between employers wrongfully treating Mooslims, and citizens like me being alarmed by their hateful rhetoric, demands for sheria law, mistreatment of women, etc. Since "peaceful" Mooslims are constantly silent about radical islamic terror, they tacitly approve of it. No other creed has these issues.

I'm not sure how that would work. My positions have changed based on my experience and knowledge. I now see where I once was in a larger context. I think it makes more sense to go forward. You should try it.

If going forward means turning hard left, then I'll pass. I've seen the damage it causes.