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Evangelical · 02-17-2017, 07:15 PM

OBW says: ...Belief in both is required for salvation. Just believing in Jesus as the good master is not enough. You must believe in him as God. And not just some god. But of the God that is Three.

But they are not able to produce any verse which says or implies that belief in the "God that is Three" is necessary for the salvation experience.

However the Bible says that belief that Jesus is the Son of God is sufficient, and 1 John 4:15 confirms that belief in Jesus as the Son is sufficient because belief in Jesus as the Son of God brings the whole Triune God.

Acts 8:37 ""I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.""

1 John 4:15 "If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God."

1 John 5:5 "Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God."

Acts 9:20 "At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God."

John 1:34 "And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God."

The following wikipedia article on Arianism explains how one orthodox view came out of what was initially" two equally orthodox interpretations", and the two-ing and fro-ing over the issue, and that "The great majority of Christians had no clear views on the Trinity and did not understand what was at stake in the issues".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
There was a dispute between two interpretations (Arianism and Trinitarianism) based upon the theological orthodoxy of the time, both of them attempted to solve its theological dilemmas.[2] So there were, initially, two equally orthodox interpretations which initiated a conflict in order to attract adepts and define the new orthodoxy.[2] Homoousianism was formally affirmed by the first two Ecumenical Councils. All mainstream branches[citation needed] of Christianity now consider Arianism to be heterodox and heretical. The Ecumenical First Council of Nicaea of 325 deemed it to be a heresy. At the regional First Synod of Tyre in 335, Arius was exonerated.[3] Constantine the Great was baptized by the Arian bishop Eusebius of Nicomedia.[4][5] After the deaths of both Arius and Constantine, Arius was again anathemised and pronounced a heretic again at the Ecumenical First Council of Constantinople of 381.[6] The Roman Emperors Constantius II (337–361) and Valens (364–378) were Arians or Semi-Arians, as was the first King of Italy, Odoacer (433?–493), and the Lombards till the 7th century. According to Everett Ferguson, "The great majority of Christians had no clear views on the Trinity and did not understand what was at stake in the issues.

Ferguson, Everett (26 November 2013). Church History, Volume One: From Christ to the Pre-Reformation: The Rise and Growth of the Church in Its Cultural, Intellectual, and Political Context. Zondervan. p. 267. ISBN 978-0-310-51657-6.

Christianity has fallen away from faith in Christ the son of God for salvation and changed it into a man made doctrine for salvation.
The following article says so plainly:
"The reason for this is that, to put it as concisely as possible, the Trinity is the gospel. "
http://www.str.org/blog/trinity-salvation#.WKe_5PmGNPY

This is clearly "another gospel" which says "the Trinity is the gospel, believe in it and you will be saved".

This is in contrast to the true gospel which says ""If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God". If a person believes that Jesus is the Son of God then they automatically believe and receive the "one true Triune God".

02-17-2017, 07:15 PM	#202
Evangelical Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 3,965	Re: Lee's Trinity OBW says: ...Belief in both is required for salvation. Just believing in Jesus as the good master is not enough. You must believe in him as God. And not just some god. But of the God that is Three. But they are not able to produce any verse which says or implies that belief in the "God that is Three" is necessary for the salvation experience. However the Bible says that belief that Jesus is the Son of God is sufficient, and 1 John 4:15 confirms that belief in Jesus as the Son is sufficient because belief in Jesus as the Son of God brings the whole Triune God. Acts 8:37 ""I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."" 1 John 4:15 "If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God." 1 John 5:5 "Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God." Acts 9:20 "At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God." John 1:34 "And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God." The following wikipedia article on Arianism explains how one orthodox view came out of what was initially" two equally orthodox interpretations", and the two-ing and fro-ing over the issue, and that "The great majority of Christians had no clear views on the Trinity and did not understand what was at stake in the issues". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism There was a dispute between two interpretations (Arianism and Trinitarianism) based upon the theological orthodoxy of the time, both of them attempted to solve its theological dilemmas.[2] So there were, initially, two equally orthodox interpretations which initiated a conflict in order to attract adepts and define the new orthodoxy.[2] Homoousianism was formally affirmed by the first two Ecumenical Councils. All mainstream branches[citation needed] of Christianity now consider Arianism to be heterodox and heretical. The Ecumenical First Council of Nicaea of 325 deemed it to be a heresy. At the regional First Synod of Tyre in 335, Arius was exonerated.[3] Constantine the Great was baptized by the Arian bishop Eusebius of Nicomedia.[4][5] After the deaths of both Arius and Constantine, Arius was again anathemised and pronounced a heretic again at the Ecumenical First Council of Constantinople of 381.[6] The Roman Emperors Constantius II (337–361) and Valens (364–378) were Arians or Semi-Arians, as was the first King of Italy, Odoacer (433?–493), and the Lombards till the 7th century. According to Everett Ferguson, "The great majority of Christians had no clear views on the Trinity and did not understand what was at stake in the issues. Ferguson, Everett (26 November 2013). Church History, Volume One: From Christ to the Pre-Reformation: The Rise and Growth of the Church in Its Cultural, Intellectual, and Political Context. Zondervan. p. 267. ISBN 978-0-310-51657-6. Christianity has fallen away from faith in Christ the son of God for salvation and changed it into a man made doctrine for salvation. The following article says so plainly: "The reason for this is that, to put it as concisely as possible, the Trinity is the gospel. " http://www.str.org/blog/trinity-salvation#.WKe_5PmGNPY This is clearly "another gospel" which says "the Trinity is the gospel, believe in it and you will be saved". This is in contrast to the true gospel which says ""If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God". If a person believes that Jesus is the Son of God then they automatically believe and receive the "one true Triune God".