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DJ,

Igzy has restated my point very clearly.

And while I believe that the questions to BlessD and Julie should probably not have been asked, are we saying that everyone who is now outside the LC (except former elders) can say anything and it be accepted as "stipulated fact" in all aspects? Further, if there might be reasons to question some details (without diminishing the underlying fact of the claim) are we saying that no question can be raised, even if clearing up the issue would ultimately make the claim stronger because the details are more consistent with likely constraints on those details? And even further, do we presume only the worst from anyone who is currently in the LC (whether of the LSM variety or in a breakaway, such as in the GLA) or was ever in leadership in the LC even though out for 20 years?

I think Don has come to the conclusion that the details are really not so important and is willing to "let it go." Can you? Or are you the self-designated "baiter" sent here to raise as big a ruckus as possible, and keep any ruckus that has started going as long as possible? ("Hey! This fight is going away! Get back here and keep fighting!) Are you just here to suck us into nasty fights? It is not profitable.

Add all of this to the fact that you were never part of the LC but would appear to be effectively a ghost writer for someone else who is willing to have you come into this forum and take pot-shots at anybody and everybody, and you move closer and closer to the ignore list every day. That would be a shame because behind your sharp spines there is often something worth considering. But the harder it becomes to find those nuggets, the less likely anyone is going to bother looking. With or without an ignore list, you will become ignored.

Stick to the actual arguments. I can accept you as a ghost writer, but you have to behave. I think that we gave Bilbo more trouble for this kind of behavior on the other forum because he was on the LC side. Why the double standard? I don't know. It should stop now.

Get over Don's prior position as elder in the LC. Get over the fact that Norm doesn't actually live in Detroit. I get embarrassed when it keeps coming up. It is covered in mold and stinks. Quit trying to make everything just like everything else. It is not. This forum is not about transferring guilt from one to another by association. When you talk about Toronto, stick to Toronto. When you talk about Dallas, stick to Dallas. When you talk about Anaheim, stick to Anaheim. When someone who clearly knows you were never in the LC says something about you being an elder in waiting, presume that there is a meaning behind the words because the words themselves were not meant to be understood as fact, but as hyperbole, sarcasm, or some other word-smithing.