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Originally Posted by Drake
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Since you knew that is not what I said why did you ask me if that is what I said?
Drake
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So please clear up for us what you did say?
You said that "Jezebel was not a legitimate queen, her coming together with Ahaz was fornication."
In the same way Witness Lee came together with the US government to sue other Christians about an issue that should be judged by Christians, not unbelievers, not heathen, not the world.
You said ""By calling herself a prophetess she teaches God's people to commit fornication which leads to idolatry. She confuses the words of God and the people of God. Ahab the king was joined to the world through Jezebel."
In the same way Witness Lee joined the Local church with his legal defense fund when every single church was required to donate, privately, to this fund. If someone walks into a meeting and contributes to the offering they are completely unaware that this is being used, in part, to fund lawsuits against other Christians about LSM concerns with insults and slander others are speaking about them.
You accused me of giving Jezebel too much credit and legitimacy, yet it is Witness Lee that did that. Instead of going around and judging others, why not remove the beam from your own eye.
This isn't my opinion, it is Paul's --
1Cor 6:6 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
You said:
My observation is that in practice you continually retreat to the ones in Ephesians as the base of your argument. When the discussion is about the biblical definition of meetings you assert that Brother Lee's teaching is at odds with the ones in Ephesians. When in fact, Brother Lee's interest is for the building of the Body of Christ and the churches, the procedure in this age, is for the building. The Catholic Church cannot build the Body of Christ. Being alone cannot build the Body of Christ. The clergy laity system cannot build the Body of Christ. There is a practical church life arrangement in the New Testament that is completely congruent with the ones in Ephesians. They are symbiotic. Define that to protect the oneness. Practice that and you keep in the oneness. Deviate that and you have divisions and confusion.
Witness Lee clearly deviated from the practical church life arrangement given to us by the Apostle Paul. That deviation has caused division and confusion.
You said:
That is why I think you are giving too much credit to Jezebel as if she were a legitimate queen in God's eyes. The woman who leavens in Matthew 13, the Jezebel in Thyatira in Revelation 2, and the Harlot in Revelation 17 provide insight into this woman's character and what she represents. She is not a part of God's elect she is only calling herself such, teaching as if she were, and assuming authority to exercise over God's genuine people.
The woman who leavens in Matthew 13 is the woman that Witness Lee joined to to stone other believers for blasphemy and seize their vineyards. She is Jezebel in Thyatira and the Harlot in the religious world (Rev 17) and the material world (Rev 18). Witness Lee allowed her to assume authority over God's genuine people.