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Originally Posted by Igzy
Depends on the look, smell and act you are talking about.
The problem is the authority model--"The Ministry" and "The Ground." If you see or smell those then you've spotted a problem.
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I agree. I really don't care what books people read, what songs they sing, how they sing them. Whether they pray in a sing-songy way, a chanting way, an "arms in the air with wiggly hands" way; on their knees, seated, or standing; to the Father, the Son, or the Holy Ghost/Spirit. What Bible they use, etc.
But if they think they have some "ground" to boss me around and tell me how to conduct my christian affairs,
then that smell, look, and act becomes perverse. Other than that, and other than open sin, I don't see where I or anyone has the right to judge what the other servants of the Master are engaged in. Unless djohnson's sources have clear and specific info on the
lording over believers (see 1 Peter 5:3) in what he refers to as LC-spinoffs, then he is engaging in supposition. Perhaps TC, and others, remain domineering as when they were Lee's lieutenants. Still, I would rather see case by case, specific instances, and especially
patterns of abusive "shepherding", before I could assent to the idea that things have remained the same outside the LSM umbrella as before, when under it.
djohnson, I share your distaste for the dominion over the precious saints of God, and your abhorrence for the abusive systems. It is, to me, as as much an offence as it is to you. To counter this unfortunate trend, we can be steadfast in our holding forth the truth, such as little we have it, and be examples of the forbearance of God toward our fellow pilgrims and sojourners as they struggle back into the light of the Father.
djohnson, I recall your signature line saying, "My greatest joy is knowing Jesus Christ". I hope this joy extends to fellowship with all the believers. This fellowship may include reproving and remonstrating, but also might occasionally consist of rejoicing in the common faith of our fellows, in the process of turning from darkness to light. All of us believers are only partly in the light. We all have "ground" to cast stones at one another. Hopefully we have ground, as well, to encourage, strengthen, and support the journeys of our fellows as well.
Having said that, I always appreciate your posts. They are invariably bracing and refreshing to one who was in the "garlic room" for a long time. I appreciate your spirit, and I always sense you speaking for many who cannot speak, pressed down under the weight of silence.