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Old 11-10-2016, 06:37 PM   #298
ZNPaaneah
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Default Re: Politics and the Church

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I stayed home during the primaries. It was all pretty disgusting. Even Rubio took things into the gutter.

I liked Huckabee, for one. One thing he said about politics was interesting -- "if you can't stand the sight of your own blood, you better get out!"

I have a long standing policy about politicians -- don't pay attention to what they say, but what they do, and who they surround themselves with.

Trump surrounded himself with some people I respected, like Pence, Giuliani, Carson, Gingrich, etc.

Huma Abedin Weiner was a definite deal breaker for me, irrespective of all the Clinton issues, now widely broadcasted on WikiLeaks for all to see. For me it reeks of a puppet presidency a la Manchurian.

The real question in the aftermath of this election result, is what will happen to the FBI investigation of Clinton, now that AG Lynch will be the first to lose her job.

Studying a little history about Lyndon Johnson and Nixon gives me a lot of pause over making too much out of what they say. Just because the campaign was incredibly shocking this time, it was only because we actually got to peak behind the curtain. If we had done so with earlier presidents it would have been very shocking as well.

For all of Clinton's sins, I don't see them as all that different from LBJ's.

As for Trump people were equally worried, if not more so, over Ronald Reagan (everyone seems to forget that). Teddy Roosevelt was also one that scared the establishment.

I have also come to appreciate the collective wisdom more than I did when I was younger. I don't dismiss the choice of 60 million people (which of course means I don't dismiss the fact that a number that large voted for Clinton also).

Many years ago I used to think that the Electoral college was a poor way to elect a president, but now I think differently. My thought is that the concerns of people in major cities are quite similar, if you were to make it a straight one person one vote then all of the candidates would focus on the 20 largest cities and ignore 99% of the country. Because of the Electoral college geography becomes more important. It is as though we are giving people and land an opportunity to be represented.

If our president only represented the 20 largest cities it would do the country a disservice.

As for Wikileaks I think they serve an important role in society. Prior to this whistleblowers suffered serious repercussions. No one would dare blow the whistle on the Clinton's. But we have entered a new era where truly, what is done in secret will be shouted from the rooftop. So although we saw horrible corruption I suspect this is similar to the corruption that existed in the police department a hundred years ago. The best cure is to shine a bright light. Going forward I expect that wikileaks can balance out the corrosive effect of corporations on our democratic process. "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free".

How ironic if this data dump is credited to the Russians. You can be sure that they too will reap what they sow.

How astounding is it that Clinton was crying for hours blaming Comey and Obama. It just amazes me how no one takes any responsibility for their actions. In her eyes her loss was not due to the things she did, but rather the things that Comey did and Obama didn't do. It makes you lose any remaining respect you might have still had for these people.
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