Well, I admit I was touchy when I wrote. So far, I am not feeling too much grief and embarrassment. Yet.
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I will refer to a second case, which I brought out into the open, that is the fathom church in Dallas bank account used to transfer Living Stream Money to disgruntled Daystar investors. I told exactly how I learned of it's existence and exactly who was involved. Thus, George Whitington, Don Looper, Joe Davis, Ray Graver, Tim House, Jim Coleman etc were not by mere association with the local churches in Texas implicated. I received several hot posts and messages about how stupid, incompetent, unqualified, weak, blind and conscienceless I was. I admitted all charges were true and I deserved the approbation. The blame came to the rightful person, yours truly. But I could have said that the church in Dallas was in on a money laundering type scheme and let the entire congregation or at least all the elders and maybe some deacons be condemned.
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Don, I remember quite well when you wrote about Daystar/money. I was so moved by your sense of contrition. I PMed you and then decided to post what I had written -- do you remember? I had no idea that you had been getting 'hot posts and messages' --- that was certainly not what I wrote to you. It never even occured to me to question your experience, or your present response to that experience.
Mistakes? Boy howdy. I've made more than a few, and there are things from my LC time that I regret. And things happened to me or around me that were not at all right. People humilated and shamed in small ways or in big ways. It was a very toxic place.
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Dear sister, you referred to your time in San Diego. Suppose someone had told you that the elders in groups of 6-7 or more were hauling in young teenage girls to interrogate and humiliate them would you have been a little shocked and wondering if the report was at least a little over the top.
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I was in San Diego also. If someone related a story like this to me I think I would wonder about it. Of course I would. But what I know for sure is that we all have done things that seemed okay at the time, but that we just didn't think through. My mom was always saying to me 'think!'. Sometimes I still get caught not thinking something through. So if someone told me this story and it involved people I knew to be good, decent, God-loving people, I would wonder if they had thought it through. And I would wonder if the young person in the story had recovered pretty well from it.
I think Roger hit it when he said your tone seemed to imply that you didn't believe her. And he hit it when he said he believes you both. Exactly.
And my guess is that anyone that was involved in such a meeting with a young person looks back with contrition. I hope so. It was a very very toxic place and really bad things (large and small) happened to people, but still -- mostly, we were good people trying to follow God. Let's try to understand and support each other as we share and make sense out of things that happened.
Not-Touchy-Enough, Igzy? I hope. No, Don's hope. I'm
finallyprettyokay sorta okay?