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Evangelical · 10-26-2016, 07:49 PM

On the matter of Satan entering man, I was referring to Lee's teaching as unorthodox, not Christianity's, Lee said this:

"Satan entered into the human body to be the evil in man's flesh"

There is nothing in Genesis that says Satan entered the human body. So Lee is unorthodox.

But does that mean Christianity is orthodox? Well no.

How do I define orthodoxy? The time when the New Testament was written, not 100 years later.

The unorthodox Christian teaching I was referring to is the belief that the serpent in the garden of Eden was Satan. This view came into Christianity after the New Testament was written. So if you believe that, your view is almost as unorthodox as Lee. And Lee could not have made those unorthodox statements unless Christianity's unorthodox view of the serpent and Eve existed first.

For an interesting read on how the serpent became Satan in Christianity, see here:

http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/d...-became-satan/

So what is the orthodox understanding of the serpent and Eve? The serpent deceived Eve, nothing to do with Satan. Also Satan, and even evil, did not jump into man's flesh and suddenly appear after Eve disobeyed. Adam and Eve suffered the curses that God said they would, but they were not then injected with evil. God no where says that Satan jumping into their flesh is their curse. Their curse was death. In other words, after the fall, Adam and Eve were not overcome with an insatiable lust for evil, as "Satan entering the flesh" implies. If this was true, then Adam, Eve and Abel with Cain, would have gone on a murderous rampage.

On a related note, the view that Satan entered Adam and Eve's flesh when they fell, is related to the idea that man cannot choose between good and evil. God's discourse with Cain proves that man can choose between good and evil, life and death, obedience and disobedience. In other words, man has free will, and is not helpless to avoid evil and do good.

The Bible clearly says that death, not evil, spread to the whole human race through Adam and Eve's fall (Romans 5:12).

Adam and Eve were created with an ability to choose between good and evil from the start. This ability to choose evil did not suddenly appear after they fell nor can it be attributed to Satan. It was what they were capable of when they were created, and it is for this reason that Eve was able to be deceived and choose to sin in the first place.

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Evangelical Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 3,965	Re: Nigel Tomes - LSM's Unorthodox Satanology On the matter of Satan entering man, I was referring to Lee's teaching as unorthodox, not Christianity's, Lee said this: "Satan entered into the human body to be the evil in man's flesh" There is nothing in Genesis that says Satan entered the human body. So Lee is unorthodox. But does that mean Christianity is orthodox? Well no. How do I define orthodoxy? The time when the New Testament was written, not 100 years later. The unorthodox Christian teaching I was referring to is the belief that the serpent in the garden of Eden was Satan. This view came into Christianity after the New Testament was written. So if you believe that, your view is almost as unorthodox as Lee. And Lee could not have made those unorthodox statements unless Christianity's unorthodox view of the serpent and Eve existed first. For an interesting read on how the serpent became Satan in Christianity, see here: http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/d...-became-satan/ So what is the orthodox understanding of the serpent and Eve? The serpent deceived Eve, nothing to do with Satan. Also Satan, and even evil, did not jump into man's flesh and suddenly appear after Eve disobeyed. Adam and Eve suffered the curses that God said they would, but they were not then injected with evil. God no where says that Satan jumping into their flesh is their curse. Their curse was death. In other words, after the fall, Adam and Eve were not overcome with an insatiable lust for evil, as "Satan entering the flesh" implies. If this was true, then Adam, Eve and Abel with Cain, would have gone on a murderous rampage. On a related note, the view that Satan entered Adam and Eve's flesh when they fell, is related to the idea that man cannot choose between good and evil. God's discourse with Cain proves that man can choose between good and evil, life and death, obedience and disobedience. In other words, man has free will, and is not helpless to avoid evil and do good. The Bible clearly says that death, not evil, spread to the whole human race through Adam and Eve's fall (Romans 5:12). Adam and Eve were created with an ability to choose between good and evil from the start. This ability to choose evil did not suddenly appear after they fell nor can it be attributed to Satan. It was what they were capable of when they were created, and it is for this reason that Eve was able to be deceived and choose to sin in the first place.