[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

So then, Wikipedia determines how much spiritual value has been produced in the US? I am struggling to respond to this in a way that is not just an insult. Clearly your view on how to discern spiritual matters is very different from my view.



Once again I have to bite my tongue.

Saying that there is rampant fornication in Taiwan that is every bit as bad as the US is not a justification for the US. Rather it is pointing out that if the US is Sodom, so is Taiwan. Since your point is that due to the US being Sodom nothing of Spiritual value is produced which is why we needed a revival that came from Taiwan. This argument collapses if Taiwan is every bit as much a Sodom as the US.

Saying that the sins in the Middle East are more grievous is not a justification for the sins of the US. Rather it is a response to your point that God is going to rain down judgment in the US. My point is that the sins in the Middle East appear to me to be more deserving of judgement from heaven. Once again, that is not a justification of sins in the US or anywhere else.

You are condemning me for pointing to the sins of others, yet this is precisely what you have done.

In my posts I have never once justified "sins" in the US or denied that they were sins. I have also said clearly that I have no issue with you doing all that you are legally allowed to as a citizen of the US or as a Christian on this issue.

I have also said that my baptism was a public statement that I was leaving the world, which was condemned by God. Since I lived in the US, and had never been to Taiwan or the Middle East at the time of my baptism it is clearly a statement about the situation in the US as much as anywhere. You have not made a clearer or stronger statement than I did when I declared that I was dead to the world.

Perhaps you do not understand simple english, like the term "justify". this word means to prove that something is right or reasonable. I have never done that concerning sins in the US. That is the kindest assumption that I can make: that you are ignorant and uneducated. Because if that is not true, then you are deceitful. You slander people, lie and distort the record, and twist words. You intentionally ignore what has been spoken clearly, and at the same time twist words to mean something that clearly was not said. As a result I have lost all respect for you.

ZNPaaneah,

my point was that pointing out the sins of other countries does not excuse America from being Sodom. I would agree that other countries are Sodom as well if they have adopted gay marriage. Do you agree then that both America and Taiwan is Sodom? Saying Taiwan is Sodom does not change the fact that the Recovery came to the USA from outside America.