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Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah
That is precisely the argument that would be used concerning Christmas. There is a "pagan" sense and a "Christian" sense. On one hand it is idolatry based on a pagan ritual, on the other hand it is a nice decoration and a holiday where we can focus on Jesus birth. But Witness Lee makes it very clear that he does not permit others to make this argument. Christmas is pagan, that is it. Adopting this approach with Deification and condemning it for Christmas is hypocrisy. To say that Christmas is idolatry but that Deification is not, that is hypocrisy.
Yes, according to Christian tradition the word is used. But Witness Lee condemns this Christian tradition. He says that this tradition concerning Christology has divided the Body of Christ. He says that we can never be reconciled with Christian tradition because of this damage to the oneness. So then, once again he condemns himself with his own words.
I am not arguing semantics, Lee is. In the Exodus training he said that pagan indicates something demonic, evil, idolatrous. Lee himself said that this word "deification" is pagan and was used in idolatry. Lee himself said that this is why we should be careful of this word because it is blasphemous. Once again, it is not me that is discrediting his teaching, he is. All I am doing is pointing out the hypocrisy.
I am not the one suggesting the "sinister reason", Lee is. In the Genesis training he talked about the serpent being crafty and how we should beware of anyone who is crafty because they are easily deceived by Satan.
I have provided the references for each quote and I have presented them in a different color so there would be no mistake. Stop saying that I am the one who is suggesting the sinister reason, it is not me, it is Lee. Stop saying that i am the one who is arguing semantics, it is not me, it is Lee. Stop saying that I am the one saying that the word can never be used in the Christian sense, again that is Lee.
My point, which you have repeatedly ignored is that Witness Lee is a hypocrite. He has been caught condemning the very things he approves. He is a deceitful worker.
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But Christmas is not just about a word, is it. It's much more than that. There is more support in the bible for deification than there is for Christmas.
The concept of deification as Lee explained it, is not pagan.
Christmas on the other hand, involves many actual pagan things such as decorated trees, yule logs, spiced drinks etc.