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Old 09-18-2016, 11:57 AM   #460
ZNPaaneah
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Default Re: Merged Thread: Various Themes by Evangelical

Truly amazing trying to follow Evangelical's defense of Witness Lee's ministry.

1. Christmas is pagan and idolatrous. That is the origin. We cannot compromise with Christianity on this point. Christianity's tradition on this point doesn't change the pagan history of this practice.

2. That said, with Deification yes we know that it is a pagan practice with a pagan definition, but there is no "true sense" of the word, (not after Witness Lee says that if you understand the word according to its definition it is blasphemy, but we will just redefine this word to mean sanctification instead. This way we can claim to be God while claim that we aren't heretical).

3. Condemns denominations because they "claim to be of Paul or Peter or Apollos".

4. That said, when the 419 elders pledge their loyalty to Witness Lee that "isn't sin, is it"?

5. He says I'm playing semantics with Witness Lee's "deification doctrine".

6. However, he ignores that it was a Witness Lee quote that said a pagan derivation is demonic, evil and idolatrous.

7. He assures us that "Paul believes women should not teach".

8. Yet when I ask him about Paul's charge to the elder women to teach the younger women he says I was supposed to infer his context of "women are not to teach men".

9. Yet this is the same guy who condemns James for writing to Jews because according to Paul in the church "there is no Jew nor Gentile". Didn't Paul also say there "is no male or female"? So if James is supposed to be condemned for writing to Jews shouldn't Evangelical be condemned for making a distinction between male and female?

Let's get real, it is much simpler to interpret Witness Lee as a double minded man.

Christmas had to be condemned to encourage saints to spend 10 days at his training. 10,000 training fees twice a year is a very nice paycheck. Throw in some books that have to be purchased and he can make a living. But, by 1994 he needed something "new", a revelation, so he repackaged his "God man" doctrine into traditional Christian teaching. When it was convenient he condemned all traditional Christian teachings, but now he needs the traditional teachings to validate his idolatry. Before he condemned them for bringing in idolatry, now he uses these same ones to support his bringing in idolatry.

He has to condemn Christianity for "being of Paul, Apollos, Peter" so that he can establish his monopoly in the book room and make merchandise of the saints. On the other hand at the height of the John Ingalls fiasco he needs to seize control of the church and demand a "loyalty pledge".

Sins committed 500 years ago disqualify churches from "the proper ground" yet sins committed by Witness Lee 20 years ago are "ancient history".
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