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ZNPaaneah · 09-12-2016, 07:23 AM

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In post 180 you made several claims that you have not backed up:

1. James was the oldest book of the New Testament. James was not up to date with the latest revelation from God about salvation by grace alone…James teaches [salvation is by] faith+works…

2. James as Jesus's half-brother was basically a second-class apostle who was not an authority in the church…

3. James was really written to the Jews who had been dispersed amidst the Roman Empire during a time of intense persecution. Instructions for Gentiles were different (Acts 21)

I welcome your input because it demonstrates what many believers think. What I want to know is if you have any valid basis to make these claims or is this just hot air?

James reference to justification was clearly, according to the context, not about eternal salvation but rather justification in the eyes of people. So your “proof” to support point 1 is not valid.

James is the writer of a book in the Bible. The apostle Paul, a recognized authority in the church, testified that James had a vision of Jesus Christ in the book of Corinthians. So as far as I am concerned his book carries the weight of “the fellowship of the apostles”. Please explain why that is not true. Paul wasn’t one of the original 12 disciples, he describes himself as “less than the least”, so how does any of that discredit James? I really do not understand what you mean when you say James “was not an authority in the church”. I also do not understand what a “second class apostle” is?

I am completely mystified by this comment that “instructions for Gentiles were different”? What does this have to do with the book of James? Are you saying that “gentile believers” can ignore this book, even though you have already stated that in the church there is no such thing as a Jew or Gentile.

09-12-2016, 07:23 AM	#262
ZNPaaneah Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 7,105	Re: Merged Thread: Various Themes by Evangelical Evangelical In post 180 you made several claims that you have not backed up: 1. James was the oldest book of the New Testament. James was not up to date with the latest revelation from God about salvation by grace alone…James teaches [salvation is by] faith+works… 2. James as Jesus's half-brother was basically a second-class apostle who was not an authority in the church… 3. James was really written to the Jews who had been dispersed amidst the Roman Empire during a time of intense persecution. Instructions for Gentiles were different (Acts 21) I welcome your input because it demonstrates what many believers think. What I want to know is if you have any valid basis to make these claims or is this just hot air? James reference to justification was clearly, according to the context, not about eternal salvation but rather justification in the eyes of people. So your “proof” to support point 1 is not valid. James is the writer of a book in the Bible. The apostle Paul, a recognized authority in the church, testified that James had a vision of Jesus Christ in the book of Corinthians. So as far as I am concerned his book carries the weight of “the fellowship of the apostles”. Please explain why that is not true. Paul wasn’t one of the original 12 disciples, he describes himself as “less than the least”, so how does any of that discredit James? I really do not understand what you mean when you say James “was not an authority in the church”. I also do not understand what a “second class apostle” is? I am completely mystified by this comment that “instructions for Gentiles were different”? What does this have to do with the book of James? Are you saying that “gentile believers” can ignore this book, even though you have already stated that in the church there is no such thing as a Jew or Gentile.