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Originally Posted by aron
the local church of Nee and Lee ... continual critiques of its brethren in the denominations makes it look to me as among the worst offenders: not merely worldly but self-righteous, stubborn, divisive, judgmental, and proud. A stronghold, perhaps not of every unclean thing, but most of them, and the worst ones.
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Here's an example of stubborn: the Humble Bondslave of the Lord, Witness Lee, apparently had a thorough and remorseful repentance before he left his earthly coil. He told the assembled, "We were wrong in the matter of receiving the brothers." Now, this wasn't in reference to Dong Yu Lan and Titus Chu, because they had not yet been expelled.
No, it seems Lee finally saw the light regarding his stance on those not currently meeting in the local church sheep pen. Those who met in the dreaded "denominations" (and the un-named, un-affiliated local assemblies he'd previously likened to incestuous daughters of Lot [I kid you not]). Lee said, "We were wrong".
But his Deputies had a hobby-horse to ride, and were determined to ride it to the finish line. So they kept going.
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Originally Posted by Evangelical
Your post seems a nonsensical rambling with not an ounce of facts presented or Scripture. As you can see I have presented Scripture and facts and historical church writings to evident my points.
The scriptures about denominationalism found here:
https://www.openbible.info/topics/denominations
could bring you back to the truth if you read and pray about them and let the Lord speak to you.
I would like to see some facts from you about your claims about millions of "metaphorical bloodshed", whatever that even means.
The facts I have seen are that 2000 or so Christians in China were imprisoned or executed because of that terrible cult watch ministry and blindly supported by American evangelicals who think anyone different from them or from another culture is automatically wrong.
The 6 year study done by CRI cleared that all up and found that the local churches are NOT of this sort of illogical and nonsensical diatribe you are coming up with. |
I apologize for my emotional and confused rambling. I'm not very good at argumentation, I'm afraid. I'm much better at being a simple brother who receives those who God has received in Christ Jesus. All of them, not just "God's best".
The metaphorical bloodshed was in reference to the Night of the Long Knives, circa 2007, when several thousands or tens of thousands of the brethren and sistren who'd given their lives to the Lord were rent asunder because some Chinese didn't want to lose face to each other. Culture is strong - you should not underestimate its influence.
And the millions was in reference to the vanished 20 million Shouters Lee once claimed. Not all of them were orthodox Christians unrighteously persecuted by secular authorities and evangelical Christians. Many were, or became, quite violent and cultic. Had Lee preached a simple message of repentance and love, perhaps that could have been avoided. But they got the Processed God, and Eating the Divine. You merely assume no causation between message and outcome, in spite of strong association and commonality.