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HERn · 08-11-2016, 03:19 PM

Quote from Matt Perman

"If there is one passage which most clearly brings all of this together, it is Matthew 28:19: “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.” First, notice that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinguished as distinct Persons. We baptize into the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Second, notice that each Person must be deity because they are all placed on the same level. In fact, would Jesus have us baptize in the name of a mere creature? Surely not. Therefore each of the Persons into whose name we are to be baptized must be deity. Third, notice that although the three divine Persons are distinct, we are baptized into their name (singular), not names (plural). The three Persons are distinct, yet only constitute one name. This can only be if they share one essence."

WL and now the false teachers known as the being-blended-brothers (or co-workers), elders within the LCs, and serving ones on the campuses teach regarding the divine life that "the Father is the source of this divine life, the Son is the course of this divine life, and Spirit is the flow of this divine life". This is an insidious and, I believe, a Satan-inspired doctrinal error that has deceived thousands of seeking Christians (including myself) associated with the LC movement.

By making this statement these teachers falsely state that the Father is the source or origin of the divine life, the Son is the course or the path through which we receive the divine life, and the Spirit is the flow or the divine life itself that reaches man. I believe Satan has used WL to exalt the essence of God (His divine life) over the distinct Persons of God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). WL effectively separated the essence of God from the persons of God. To me the practical application of this false teaching is that it caused me to focus my worship and attention on the essence of God (divine life) rather than the Persons of God who eternally and individually exist as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I don't think Satan objects to the worship of the essence or divine life of God, but he greatly opposes the worship of the Persons of God. After all, Satan tried to exalt his person to reach even to the "Most High" (a person) and was thrown out. On earth Satan opposed and sought to kill the Son of God (a person) not the divine life of God (God's essence). And now among the the LCs there's a tendency to focus on "life", "the feeling of the body" and other subjective things at the expense of worshiping the Persons of God. Maybe someone can explain how the table meetings (where the Father and Son are worshiped) of the LCs exist along with the false teaching that often occurs in the prophesying meetings and conferences? If this is too harsh or in error I'm open to correction and will modify my statement.

Here is the link to the website that got me thinking along these lines.

http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/...of-the-trinity

08-11-2016, 03:19 PM	#883
HERn Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 969	Re: How Much To Throw Out? Quote from Matt Perman "If there is one passage which most clearly brings all of this together, it is Matthew 28:19: “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.” First, notice that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinguished as distinct Persons. We baptize into the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Second, notice that each Person must be deity because they are all placed on the same level. In fact, would Jesus have us baptize in the name of a mere creature? Surely not. Therefore each of the Persons into whose name we are to be baptized must be deity. Third, notice that although the three divine Persons are distinct, we are baptized into their name (singular), not names (plural). The three Persons are distinct, yet only constitute one name. This can only be if they share one essence." WL and now the false teachers known as the being-blended-brothers (or co-workers), elders within the LCs, and serving ones on the campuses teach regarding the divine life that "the Father is the source of this divine life, the Son is the course of this divine life, and Spirit is the flow of this divine life". This is an insidious and, I believe, a Satan-inspired doctrinal error that has deceived thousands of seeking Christians (including myself) associated with the LC movement. By making this statement these teachers falsely state that the Father is the source or origin of the divine life, the Son is the course or the path through which we receive the divine life, and the Spirit is the flow or the divine life itself that reaches man. I believe Satan has used WL to exalt the essence of God (His divine life) over the distinct Persons of God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). WL effectively separated the essence of God from the persons of God. To me the practical application of this false teaching is that it caused me to focus my worship and attention on the essence of God (divine life) rather than the Persons of God who eternally and individually exist as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I don't think Satan objects to the worship of the essence or divine life of God, but he greatly opposes the worship of the Persons of God. After all, Satan tried to exalt his person to reach even to the "Most High" (a person) and was thrown out. On earth Satan opposed and sought to kill the Son of God (a person) not the divine life of God (God's essence). And now among the the LCs there's a tendency to focus on "life", "the feeling of the body" and other subjective things at the expense of worshiping the Persons of God. Maybe someone can explain how the table meetings (where the Father and Son are worshiped) of the LCs exist along with the false teaching that often occurs in the prophesying meetings and conferences? If this is too harsh or in error I'm open to correction and will modify my statement. Here is the link to the website that got me thinking along these lines. http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/...of-the-trinity __________________ Hebrews 12:2 "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith." (KJV Version) Look to Jesus not The Ministry.