[testallthings]

I have been accused by awareness and zeek to not have quoted the Lord Jesus in one of my last post (like this was a crime). Instead I quoted from Paul and John. In my post number 40 I showed how the Lord Jesus was a friend of sinners and how He made a difference between the sinners of the world and those who sin in the church. I quoted the Lord Jesus' words from Mat. 9:9-13; Luke 5:27-32 and Mk. 2:14-17. I quoted from 1 Cor. 5:9-13 (from Paul) and finally, again the Lord Jesus' words in Mat. 18:17.
(To this verse zeek said, “It's unlikely that historical Jesus taught that. It's based on Deut. 19:15.
What he meant by the “historical Jesus” raised some doubts in me, but I didn't asked him for an explanation. At this point I would like to ask zeek, do you believe the Bible is God's inspired Word. If those in Mat. 18:17 are not the words of the Lord Jesus whose words are they?)
Then, in a following post I continued on the same topic quoting from Paul and John.

Awareness responded with such a comment:

"Paul's got more books in the New Testament than Jesus, even if we discount the disputed books.
So the church ended up becoming more Paul than Jesus. And so has lost track of Jesus."

Now, if you know of books that the Lord Jesus wrote, would you like to share them with us? The Lord Jesus wrote no books and yet all the books are His (or the word of God).

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In my posts I have quoted or given reference to:

Gen. 37:5 Deut. 24:16 Ez. 18:20 Gen. 9:21 2Sam. 12:9 Ps. 51 Pro. 20:8 Pro. 14:35 Pro. 20:26 Mat. 8:5-13 Mat. 9:2-7 Mat. 9:9-13 Mat. 18:17 Mat. 19:28 Mat. 26:75 Mk. 2:14-17 Luke 5:27-32 Luke 19:11-27 Luke 12:13-14 John 6:15 John 2:1-2 John 12:3-8 John 18:23 John 18:37 John 19:14-15 Acts 4 Acts 7:23-25, 30, 35 Acts 13:13-14 1 Cor. 5:9-13 1 Cor. 6:9-11 Gal. 5:19-21 Eph. 5:1-7 Col. 3:1-2 Rev. 11:15-17 Rev. 19:10, 15-16 Rev. 22:8-9

That's about 36 references from 16 books of the Bible of which 3 by Paul.

I quoted Tertullian and Origen and Obama (once), too.

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Let's see what awareness quoted:

1 Ti. 2:1-3 John 12:15 John 18:35-36 (he mentioned King David and the promise the Lord Jesus gave the 12 to sit on 12 thrones)

Then he quoted the Gospel of Thomas (it is from here that you get to know our Lord Jesus?)

He mentioned Antonin Scalia, Obama (4 times) and a quote from

Brooke Allen. Moral Minority: Our Skeptical Founding Fathers (Kindle Locations 802-805). Kindle Edition.


If you are really concerned about the Lord Jesus why do you quote Him so rarely? And why in your signature you have a quote from Jimi Hendrix and not from the Lord Jesus?
Would you like to explain where did you get your last quote and what it means? It sounds like that there is no need to look for the “historical Jesus” (the same words zeek used commenting on Mat. 18:17) because He never existed, like the false gods of old?)

"Job 25:6 how much less man, who is a maggot, and the son of man, who is a worm!"
No amount of intellect or education can grant one immunity where matters of the heart and faith are concerned.
So watch out! There's a serpent in every paradise!
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix
Heroes fail, when you get to know them ... then they fall, just like the gods of old. Why else quest for the historical Jesus?"
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Now let's see what zeek quoted:

“Be gone, Satan! For it is written,
“‘You shall worship the Lord your God
and him only shall you serve.’”


And Deut.19:15 to disprove that the words in Matthew 18:17 probably were not uttered by the “historical Jesus”.

Then he mentioned
The first amendment to the US Constitution, Jefferson, right wing Christians, Barack Obama, Ron and Rand Paul.

Not much about the Lord Jesus.


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OBW,

I don't think Paul is the source. The source is God Himself who spoke in the Son.
The word of the Lord Jesus are the words of God, and so were those of the apostles.

Joh 12:49 For I spake not from myself; but the Father that sent me, he hath given me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Joh 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life eternal: the things therefore which I speak, even as the Father hath said unto me, so I speak.

Joh 7:16 Jesus therefore answered them and said, My teaching is not mine, but his that sent me.

He also said,


Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall take of mine, and shall declare it unto you.
Joh 16:15 All things whatsoever the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he taketh of mine, and shall declare it unto you.


If we believe His words then we know that the words of Peter, James, John, Jude and Paul are the word of God.

1Th 2:13 And for this cause we also thank God without ceasing, that, when ye received from us the word of the message, even the word of God, ye accepted it not as the word of men, but, as it is in truth, the word of God, which also worketh in you that believe.


You mentioned the importance of doing. It is a very important issue, but before that we should know who we are. Are we Jews? Are we Gentiles? I am a Gentile, and for such as me God prepared and apostle (as He appointed the 12 to send them to the lost sheep of the house of Israel), Paul.

Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)


1Ti 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

2Ti 1:11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

If he was the apostle and teacher of the Gentiles, and he was, he knew exactly how to teach and what to teach to us Gentiles.