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Old 12-20-2008, 02:53 PM   #114
Gubei
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Default Re: "Early Nee" vs. "Later Nee"

Igzy,

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“We've already addressed this as well. The Bible prescribes freedom in Christ. Therefore to limit that freedom you need a counter prescription, not just a doctrine concocted from vague patterns. In other words, if you are going to take away someone's freedom, you need a clear reason for doing so. The local ground is anything but clear. Why do you think it ends up in court?”
Please quote the exact verse in the Bible supporting your assertion. And please define the freedom that we have in Christ Jesus and how far we can extend that freedom.

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“It cannot be practiced unless everyone agrees on exactly what it means.”
No. We do not need to wait for all saints to agree on exactly what it means. Any saints who agree can gather together according to the ground of locality.

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“The point is that non-prescriptive patterns in the Bible do not provide enough to enforce doctrine which restrict freedom.”
Once again, you are assuming that the ground of locality “enforces” something. Now you are using “enforce” instead of “insist.” Just like we do not enforce (insist) sisters to cover their heads, the ground of locality is not enforced or insisted. I already mentioned that one-set of elders are not insisted because it is not essential in Christian life. Thus, it is clear you are equating the truth with enforcing it.

BTW, please re-read what you wrote when you presented your model.
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“The Bible indicates that the official leader(s) is/are appointed by the Lord. This appointment is recognized by consensus, which the Bible also indicates. If one doesn't agree with the consensus, one is free to meet elsewhere. (Let each be fully persuaded in his own mind.) This is my model.”
You are saying that the official leader(s) is appointed by the Lord and recognized by consensus. This means that that appointment and consensus are in the will of the Lord. But, you simultaneously are saying “If one doesn’t agree with the consensus, one is free to meet elsewhere” Igzy. Please explain. The consensus was according to the will of the Lord. Then, how can you say that one is free to meet elsewhere?

In the Lord

Gubei
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