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Originally Posted by Gubei
Igzy,
Please rethink your reply. I'm not saying whose model is right.
I'm trying to show you how we should be balanced in evaluating others' model.
You cannot provide me with some prescriptive verses supporting your model. And, as you agreed, your model is based on logic.
If that's the case, you should not evaluate others' model by the yardstick which you yourself cannot abide by. Then, why did you repeatedly ask providing prescriptive verses on the ground of locality?
Your are getting around this issue. Please directly answer.
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I understand your question, but you are actually comparing my apples to your oranges. The difference should be clear to you because I've already made reference to it, but I'll try to be plainer. The difference is that you are creating
restrictions based on non-prescriptive patterns. I am allowing
freedom by
not creating restrictions where the Bible is silent. That's the difference. My model is based on the Bible, it just doesn't make restrictive assumptions where the Bible is silent. Your model is based on the Bible, too. But yours makes restrictive assumptions (e.g. saints cannot move from church to church) where the Bible is silent. That's a big difference.
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Igzy,
For your model's practicality, a lot of questons can be made. For now, I just want to adhere to above mentioned issue except one thing.
You asked me.
"So, again, please tell me how saints moving around is supposed to be policed."
Igzy, this was my question to you. You should answer to me. Are you saying really "free moving" in your model even without reject divisive ones which was commanded by the Bible? Please clarify your model further.
Gubei
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Freely moving is not the same thing as being divisive. Being divisive is a matter of heart and attitude. For example, I may leave a church to move to another one in a divisive way, or in a pure way, it all depends on my heart.
The Lord may be leading me to move, and it's really no one else's call but mine, because I alone really know what the Lord is leading me to do. This is what living by conscience and following the Spirit boils down to.
On the other hand, I may actually have a divisive heart and want to avoid fellowship with certain people. When I move it may outwardly look more or less the same to a casual observer as when I move with a pure motive, but there is a world of difference. So you really can't judge someone just because they changed churches.
Being divisive means having a divisive heart which expresses itself in sowing discord. These types of people, ultimately, are pretty easy to spot. They don't fellowship, they grumble. Someone who moves from church to church is not necessarily divisive.
There is a term in Christian circles--"church hopping." It describes moving from church to church seeking comfort. It's a negative term. Christians in general know that they should not just move on a whim, to satisfy themselves. However, they also know that you cannot restrict a genuine leading of the Lord. This is balance.
The LC model presumes that restricting movement preserves "oneness," but I don't see the justification for enforcing that in the Bible. It is imbalanced.