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Originally Posted by Igzy
Gubei,
The Bible says nothing restricting saints from moving from church to church. Are you suggesting that if the Bible doesn't explicitly allow something that it therefore disallows it? If not, then why are you asking me to provide the Biblical permission for something the Bible does not mention?
BTW, there's nothing wrong with logic. After all, you are employing it as well. You can't interpret the Bible without it. Neither could WL. You attach the word "human" to my logic as a means of dismissing it. That's straight from WL's playbook. His logic was "divine"; everyone else's was "human."
So please don't condescend. I'm not employing logic in a vacuum. I'm using it in the light of the Bible, history, experience and my sense of the Lord's leading. Hopefully you are not doing any differently.
So, again, please tell me how saints moving around is supposed to be policed. Who has the authority to condemn or excuse such movement? Who judges? If you can't answer these practical questions then your model is not practical and is bound to fall apart.
How do you decide who to "condemn?" For example, suppose there are two "local" churches A and B, in city C. Saint S decides the Lord has led him to move from A to B, and the elders of B have no objection. How do you know, if you are in A (or anywhere else) whether you should "condemn" S? Can you do it because: - A and B are too close together, and therefore violate locality?
- A and B are too far apart, and so S is not eligible to be in B.
- S did not get permission from the elders of A whether he could move? (As if they are his lords.)
- B does not follow the right apostle, and so B is not a genuine church?
- Something else?
I'm waiting to hear the rules of how to condemn a saint because condemning saints is a serious matter and you have stated that being able to do so is one of the great advantages of the ground of locality doctrine. |
Igzy,
Please rethink your reply. I'm not saying whose model is right.
I'm trying to show you how we should be balanced in evaluating others' model.
You cannot provide me with some prescriptive verses supporting your model. And, as you agreed, your model is based on logic.
If that's the case, you should not evaluate others' model by the yardstick which you yourself cannot abide by. Then, why did you repeatedly ask providing prescriptive verses on the ground of locality?
Your are getting around this issue. Please directly answer.
Igzy,
For your model's practicality, a lot of questons can be made. For now, I just want to adhere to above mentioned issue except one thing.
You asked me.
"So, again, please tell me how saints moving around is supposed to be policed."
Igzy, this was my question to you. You should answer to me. Are you saying really "free moving" in your model even without reject divisive ones which was commanded by the Bible? Please clarify your model further.
Gubei
Gubei