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Originally Posted by Freedom
The verse that Nell points out, 1 Tim 5:20, presents a completely different view of authority than how those in the LC view it. I can guarantee if someone tried to challenge an elder in the LC, things wouldn't go down so well.
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From Indiana's article of Hear the Cases, never is it so blatant.
To many cases of an elder's/coworker's (Samuel Liu) abuse to numerate here, but here is how it was resolved:
“James Lee said, we got the letter and we will take care of it. I waited and waited and nobody responded to me, to my May 18, 2005 letter sent over two years before. The brothers in Ontario saw how bad the situation was getting, so they called JL, and asked him if they could meet with him. Tom Serratti, Benjamin Liu, Damaso Flores, Samuel Liu and I from Ontario met with James Lee. Samuel Liu was forced by his flesh brother Benjamin Liu to come to this meeting. James Lee said; “I am only going to listen to you, since I can’t do anything”.
“I (Mario) said, this meeting is for brother Samuel Liu and I to be reconciled. Samuel Liu started doing the same thing, he said, “everything is in the hands of the blended co-workers”, cross his arms, bow down his head, close his eyes, and foam came out of his mouth. The meeting was over and nothing was done. His brother, Benjamin Liu, came to me and said, Mario this time we couldn’t do anything, maybe next time.
“After calling and calling Benjamin Liu for at least one month for us to meet again with James Lee, we were able to meet see if at this time SL would reconcile with me. We had the second meeting but sad to say the same thing happened. At the end of the meeting, SL said the same thing, “everything is in the hands of the blended co-workers”. SL would not talk to me and did not want to be reconciled with me.
“After the meeting was over brother James Lee came to me (Mario) and Damaso Flores, and said, “
brothers, Samuel has a sickness; it is the same sickness that his two children have, and if you want to follow him in Ontario, that is up to you.”
Also, he said that everything SL was doing in Ontario he didn’t believe, especially with the statistics. Samuel counted the brothers and sisters 4 times, the same people. Here again the second meeting with James Lee and nothing was done. And, still we have not received a response from our letter sent May 18, 2005 to the co-workers."
Point is here an elder is being confronted to reconcile. In this instance Samuel has his prerogative if he wants to reconcile. It's mind blowing the unwillingness to act by his peers (fellow responsible brothers). Even more when James Lee says: “Samuel has a sickness...." What's he doing in this capacity when there's not only a sickness, but an anger management issue. In my mind completely unqualified to be an elder by scriptural standards.
Who knows how many localities in the Inland empire has to kowtow to every little whim of Samuel Liu?
The end result for Mario Sandoval, well when James Lee said he couldn't do anything to help Mario, he could use his influence to keep Mario from meeting in Vista.
This is how bad things can go when an elder is challenged.