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Originally Posted by Ohio
The point was alluded to before. If Jesus was just an ordinary Jew, though a true descendent of the lineage of David, who was "adopted" by God either at Baptism, on the mountain with Moses and Elijah, or some other notable time, then He must be a sinner like the rest of us, and therefore His death on the cross cannot redeem us. It then becomes a life-changer, and thus Christianity is fraudulent, the basic supposition of AltViews.
Bart Erhman and others have slid down this slippery slope and landed in the lake of agnosticism and atheism.
This is the implication of Adoptionism, the denial of the virgin birth.
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And on this point I must agree. It is important. So we have eliminated certain possibilities.
And note that while I questioned the importance, I did point to evidence that "this day" was not the beginning of God in the man Jesus because of the Temple at age 12. It stands as functionally contradicting the particular reading, or at least forcing a different meaning onto it besides "this is where Jesus became God."
And a point I had wanted to make on the issue of he age of any manuscript . . . . If the oldest one we have says "X" but all the others say "Y," yet none of them are the original, then why do we think that the multitude of copies going to so many places that say "Y" are wrong and the single is the correct one? In a world of copies, the frequency of discovery of a particular reading seems to be more important than age. If there had been many different copies of about the same age all of which said "X" and them many different copies some years later, all of which said "Y" then we might have a different consideration.