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Originally Posted by Dave

None of us have perfect answers no matter how much we believe we know or how spiritual we believe we are. I frequently have seen this statement, "...as the Spirit leads me..." Of course, did "...the Spirit" lead us into the LC and then later lead us out of the LC. When we left the LC did the Spirit lead those who wanted to follow Jesus to different churches with different beliefs, different doctrines, different lifestyles etc. This was the problem with the LC because we all believed they had the correct doctrine with the LC so the idea was that growth was just a matter of experiencing Jesus within the context of the LC. I recently saw a person on this forum who said that each of us will be led differently in regards to leaving the LC. It all seems so wishy washy. Is Revelation correct about the fact that you are either hot or cold because if you are wishy washy you will be spewed out of his mouth? So you better be hot or cold...so how is the Spirit leading people if it is not leading people to the same result in their life? For example, same Church, same Doctrines, same Lifestyle, etc.

Interesting question. Can you clarify what you mean by supplying examples of people being led by the Spirit identically instead of "differently"?

In Luke 12 Jesus said

“I came to send fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how distressed I am till it is accomplished! Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division. For from now on five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against three. Father will be divided against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.”

That seems to be a pretty accurate description of the current state of affairs. So, perhaps the Spirit has done its job.

A related question is that if you are "hot" (even genuinely) in the LC you generally will be demanding that people tow the LC line because you believe that you have found the way but this process can impact people's lives as we all know. How does the Spirit of Life lead people to be hot or cold after exiting from the LC? I explained in a post a few weeks ago that because of that verse in Revelation when I left the LC that I did not want to be spewed out for being lukewarm and after seeing the state of churches today I decided to go cold. It didn't mean that I went crazy but I focused more on work, family and related issues. Certainly I am interested in those who have left the LC and their experiences so how is the Spirit leading them and what decisions have they made.

Wow Dave, you really took that verse so seriously that you decided to go cold so that you could stay in Christ's mouth? Do you feel you succeeded?

The effect the "spew" verse always had on me when I was in the LC was to make me think I was lukewarm so I better get moving and stoke the fire with whatever the Lord was supposedly doing at the time. I surmised that was result the verse was intended to evoke. If you're hot you can always be hotter, cold you can always be colder. Whether you qualify for Christ's mouth... how would anybody know? Hence, the appropriate response seems to be fear and trembling no matter what you're temperature is.

Correct me if I'm wrong but, I think what you're really asking, albeit in spiritually terminology, is what is the meaning of life, and how do people evaluate their own lives according to it. Yes? No?