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Originally Posted by Unregistered
aron said God can't be seated beside himself in heaven on his own right hand, think 'bout it, it don't make sense, man. Could you sit on your right hand? It's impossible. So Jesus can't be God, man. Like the Holy Spirit being God and being the seven lamps of fire burning before Himself also don't make sense, either.
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I don't think that's where my logic led me at all. I believe that I clearly concluded that Jesus is God. No problems with that idea. Whether Jesus is God "essentially" or "economically" one might spend time on, but ultimately it is moot as a basic point. Jesus is God. Pretty clear. Not a logical construct, but a scriptural statement. We cannot talk ourselves out of it, that I can see.
But, what I struggled to comprehend was the idea that Jesus is the Father, a logical construct (by Lee, & perhaps others) that I can't see. Because how can the Father sit at His own right hand? Similarly, Daniel 7:13 shows the Son of Man being led into the presence of the Ancient of Days, seated on the throne. Forgive me if my mind sees two entities here. Seems pretty clearly delineated to me: how can the Ancient of Days be presented to Himself? If that is logical to Lee and company, fine. It seems illogical to me.
Better? I hope I restated it clearer. One of my problems is not being clear.
Secondly, what I said was that the Holy Spirit as God has problems in that there is no clear defining line between the Holy Spirit as God, and Creator, and God head, and the ministering spirits, i.e. angels, who are not objects of worship. The doctrine clearly delineates a difference but the text does not. So to maintain our theology involves ignoring the problematic text(s).
Hope that is a little clearer.
But "Jesus is not God"? No, I don't think that is a sustainable proposition. I may have floated it, hypothetically, but I don't think it can be sustained as an argument through the text.