[Nell]

Originally Posted by awareness

...God was angry and wrathful before the cross and angry and wrathful afterwards; like God said or thought, "I gave my son as a sacrifice for the sin of the world, to forgive them," but ... but, "oh hell, forget the cross, I'm just going back to being angry and wrathful."

And bearbear, you can throw Bible verses at it all day long, and twist your logic into a bag of pretzels, but you can't get around it.

In the end the problem is the book of Revelation. It just doesn't belong in the canon.

It causes crazies, like Lee and Cahn. And I think you, my brother, are at risk, if you keep struggling with trying to solve the impossible, even with Bible verses.

Unless you just admit:

Isa 45:6-7 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Awareness, you're talking about God like He isn't listening to you.

Nell