Quote:
Originally Posted by bearbear
I've never seen angels before. .
|
Maybe you completely misunderstand me, or else think my point is not worth noticing or commenting on. I think it important, so let me reiterate.
When the writer of Hebrews said, "but we see Jesus" he/she didn't mean that he saw a vision of Jesus before him/her. Rather that we can perceive Jesus, made a little lower than the angels (incarnation), typified in the OT record. Also the glories that followed, etc. The author didn't see a "vision" before him physically, but rather had "revelation" that by faith he could percieve the hidden spiritual world through the physical world that was represented in the text of people like David, Abraham, Moses, etc.
Now, we can "see Jesus" in Psalm 3 where the writer says "I laid me down and slept; I awaked for the LORD sustained me" ("I have the power to lay my life down, and the power to raise it up again, etc"), and Psalm 119 "All you evil doers get behind me" (several times in the NT, including to PETER!).
Etc etc. We can see Jesus there. Lee read the Bible with a personal lens, with a historically (Protestantism/Bretheren) derived lens, with an Asian cultural lens, with a theologically blindered lens. So if he couldn't see Jesus he mesmerized us to follow and similarly be blind.
Likewise with the angels. If the Centurion said, "I also have servants under me..." who was he talking about? So when Jesus told Nathaniel that he would see heaven opened and the angels ascending and descending, then maybe Nathaniel saw this fulfilled when Jesus turned the water to wine, when he spoke a word and the Centurion's servant was healed, etc.
My thesis is that a marvelous supernatural work of the Holy Spirit is that we can come to the text and see Jesus, and see angels ascending and descending, see the heavens opened, etc. Or is it just my vain imagination? That's why I come to the ekklesia, to present my visions. If others don't get it, then I can let it go. No big deal. But at least I have been freed from the blinders of Lee & Nee.