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Originally Posted by Nell
Dave,
I did all that too. I was just as deceived as you were, maybe more. Lee said "follow ME" and like a dope, I did it.
Here's your key phrase "I was doing everything I could to further the "kingdom" of God with WL at the helm...". We were following the wrong person. We shouldn't have followed Lee and we shouldn't "follow Cahn". Is anyone suggesting that we follow Cahn? No. Is CAHN suggesting this? No.
Who should we follow? Jesus. Period. In fact, that's Cahn's message. Get right with Jesus. So, if even if you wanted to follow Cahn you'd have to follow God.
I'm a true believer in Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior. Cahn is not real to me. God is real to me. I sure hope He doesn't want me to go out and start shouting "repent America".  I really hope He doesn't
What do you know of "my agreement with Cahn?" I keep saying it: forget Cahn. Is Cahn's message consistent with the Bible? If so, believe the Bible. Was Lee consistent with the Bible? Sometimes. Men are not "right" or "wrong" of themselves. Lee was ONLY "right" when he lined up with the Bible. Did that make Lee "right"? No. It was the Bible that was right. Lee just agreed with the Bible, or he didn't.
Lee is not authoritative. Cahn is not authoritative. You are not authoritative. I am not authoritative. OBW is not authoritative. The Bible is authoritative. Period. All of it. (...awareness...even the Revelation).
Here's a question for you, Dave. If God wanted to warn you about something, anything, how would He do it?
Nell |
Nell
Thanks for responding in a good way. I realize we keep saying if what he/she says is consistent with the Bible but everyone quotes scriptures and there is a lot more to it than just being "consistent with the Bible" although that is a beginning. Calvin, Darby, Nee, Lee, Cahn...all consistent with the scriptures but disagree on several issues and we all say that what we are doing/saying is consistent with the scriptures but there may be more to it than that concept. We can kick back into Brother Lawrence mode and go that route as well. There are many avenues to living the Christian life.
When I said, “WL at the helm” it was a reflective statement. At the time I thought WL was guiding me towards Christ. It wasn’t until years later I could look back and say, “WL at the helm”. We were young and really uninformed and I probably put less responsibility on WL then I do on people who were much more involved, with considerable Bible backgrounds and had been trained by WL. John Ingalls, for example, bless his soul, was well versed in the Plymouth Brethren. Thus, while some of them were kicked out of the LC by WL they had much more in-depth backgrounds and didn’t see it coming. They are the ones who gave us confidence that what we were hearing was from the oracle of God. We should have known better but it was an exciting time and I had been reading and talking about WN for several years and here was his coworker from China…wow…it doesn’t get any better than that. It was like a dream come true.
Your question, how would I expect a warning from God? That is a great question! A huge comet detected coming straight at the earth to hit us in 40 days. Numerous significant earthquakes shaking the foundation of the earth creating unparalleled tsunamis. Thousands of sightings of Jesus throughout the world warning us of impending disaster (of course, in this day and age one interview with Jesus descending down from the heavens might do it since the entire world would see it). I don’t think God does things in a small way. He didn’t in the OT and He was dealing with a very small population in the days of Noah compared to what we have today. Thousands of people compared to billions today and look at the billions in China and India who are all unbelievers. Despite significant efforts by Christians in South America etc Christians are not making a lot of progress. The longer He waits the more non-Christians there will be in the world. I know there are verses that essentially say, "Surprise, Surprise it is the end of the world and I am setting up a new kingdom" and "you didn't make it" but there are also verses that indicate otherwise...that there will be calamity prior to setting up the new kingdom.
I have to agree with
awareness on this issue, Cahn is in it for the money. You don’t see a significant market in China or India for a book declaring that God is going to punish China/India for their unbelief and their persecution of Christians (China). How do you think a book declaring that God is going to pour out his wrath on the Palestinians for their constant attacks on Israel would sell in Palestine, Gaza strip, Syria and other Arab countries. Why pick on the US? Because we are gullible Christians and love this sort of thing. I would imagine that any Chinese or Indians who read it would be dumbfounded as to why God is picking on the US. BTW---this is just my opinion!