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Timotheist · 07-12-2008, 08:30 AM

I agree with these sentiments about the Triune God teachings posted thus far in this thread:

1) The 'orthodox' dogma is flawed, or incomplete
2) Lee's teachings are 'scriptural', but also flawed, or incomplete

Now about "modalsim"

I don't think John was seeing a "sevenfold, intensified, Spirit". Rather, these seven spirits can be found in non-canonical texts: they are the seven Arch-Angels.

To me the Spirit that breathed life into Adam is the same Spirit that is breathed into new testament believers. The difference lies in the degree of God's "presence". The Holy Spirit is a stronger degree of God's presence than the first:

1) The Spirit gives life: the Holy Spirit gives holy life
2) The Spirit gives a human his life: the Holy Spirit gives eternal life.

The Spirit did not have to "change" to become a life-giving Spirit. Rather the dose was increased, this made somehow possible by the redemption of the cross.

But I find it interesting that Christ took his resurrected body with Him to heaven and was described as seated on the "right hand" of God. What happened?

1) Did Christ sit at the right hand before His incarnation?
2) Or did having a Body make Him a separate entity (or at least more separate than before)?

I have spent some time looking into Jewish apocrypha trying to see any evidence of two thrones or a twofold Godhead of Father and Son. Recently I found this reference and will one day do some more research on it. It appears that there is a somewhat controversial passage (to Jews) in the Talmud that refers to a 'greater Yahweh' and a 'lesser Yahweh'. There is an introduction to this subject in Wikipedia at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metatron

The description seems to paint a 'Co-existing but separable' God on the Throne.

Check it out!

07-12-2008, 08:30 AM	#9
Timotheist Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 424	The "modalism" stuff I agree with these sentiments about the Triune God teachings posted thus far in this thread: 1) The 'orthodox' dogma is flawed, or incomplete 2) Lee's teachings are 'scriptural', but also flawed, or incomplete Now about "modalsim" I don't think John was seeing a "sevenfold, intensified, Spirit". Rather, these seven spirits can be found in non-canonical texts: they are the seven Arch-Angels. To me the Spirit that breathed life into Adam is the same Spirit that is breathed into new testament believers. The difference lies in the degree of God's "presence". The Holy Spirit is a stronger degree of God's presence than the first: 1) The Spirit gives life: the Holy Spirit gives holy life 2) The Spirit gives a human his life: the Holy Spirit gives eternal life. The Spirit did not have to "change" to become a life-giving Spirit. Rather the dose was increased, this made somehow possible by the redemption of the cross. But I find it interesting that Christ took his resurrected body with Him to heaven and was described as seated on the "right hand" of God. What happened? 1) Did Christ sit at the right hand before His incarnation? 2) Or did having a Body make Him a separate entity (or at least more separate than before)? I have spent some time looking into Jewish apocrypha trying to see any evidence of two thrones or a twofold Godhead of Father and Son. Recently I found this reference and will one day do some more research on it. It appears that there is a somewhat controversial passage (to Jews) in the Talmud that refers to a 'greater Yahweh' and a 'lesser Yahweh'. There is an introduction to this subject in Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metatron The description seems to paint a 'Co-existing but separable' God on the Throne. Check it out! Last edited by Timotheist; 07-12-2008 at 08:33 AM.