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Originally Posted by Nell
Read Cahn. Read the Bible. Compare. That's how you know.
You don't measure. You don't assume. You don't know the hearts of men. You don't know their sin. This is beyond the scope of Cahn's books. He doesn't do this. Neither do I.
If you want to drill down on this, that's your deal, but it's not something you should attribute to Cahn. However, I will say this, your point is well taken. There is NO WAY we are qualified to answer the questions you pose. It's a mistake to assume that Cahn is doing this.
Once again, "There is ... no stage or platform on earth so well suited for the manifesting of the mystery of the Shemitah as America (Cahn's opinion). Is the Israel connection necessary for the mystery to manifest? No. It could manifest to any nation, just as God could send a warning of national judgment to any nation. No unique connection to ancient Israel is needed for America to be given a biblical sign of national judgment." The Mystery of the Shemitah, p. 58, Jonathan Cahn
If you're going to "keep an eye on Cahn" then you should address what he actually says and not what you think he says. From what I can tell, you don't really know what Cahn's message is. Sorry. You've taken him out of context and come to "conclusions" not based on fact. Further, in my humble opinion, there is no reasonable justification for not reading Cahn while at the same profusely offering your opinions about what he's written.
You can't have it both ways.
Nell
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Did Cahn misrepresent his position at the prayer breakfast in the videos posted on this thread or have you misrepresented him here? Because those are the propositions I am responding to here.
If you can't measure one phenomenon against another you have no way of quantitating catastrophies. Is this year better or worse than last year? According to whose perspective? By what criterion?
Cahn is choosing the criteria and making judgments about whether things are good or bad, better or worse. He is rating events morally and then making connections to other events which he says are God's judgments. Clearly this is all happening in his mind. He is associating one thing with another. But are these things related in the real world? In the mind of God? How would anyone know? The short answer is that no one would.
I see huge problem with lifting beliefs and practices out of the Bible carte blanche and applying them in the modern world. Just as an example look at slavery. The Bible says more to support slavery than it does against it. Even Jesus didn't condemn slavery. Instead, the Bible supports slavery by giving instructions to masters and slaves. For example:
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You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT
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Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6:5 NLT
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If you and Cahn want us to follow Biblical principles to the letter, what do you do with these directives? We have left behind the Biblical principle of slavery. Is God judging us for that? Will God bless us if we go back to enslaving people? I read that slavery is still practiced illegally in the world today. Should modern day slaves obey their masters with respect and fear? If they don't will they be judged by God?